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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Eolin" data-source="post: 2187000" data-attributes="member: 13266">As do I. Either I'm being misinterpreted or misrepresented. Or I mispoke.Science, quo science, absolutely, I'm all for. It tells us about stuff emperically, which is what we should make judgements, decisions and all that based upon. (Note: I don't want to get into religion. Let's not.)What I meant is that the current scientific -- especially medical -- community has some dogmatic baggage. Tell your doctor that you're doing meditation and it has made you healthier and you'll just get a weird look. At least with my doctor. Tell him that the juice of a lemon a day has changed your biochemistry, and you're likely to get the same sort of look. Medical science looks at how to fix things, and that's great -- but it is not the end all, be all of health. Remaining healthy isn't necessarily a matter of taking vitamins, but can instead be about heating whole foods and being more *aware* of what you eat. Awareness has a lot to do with it, and again, medical science can't say anything about that -- because it only exists inside our heads.I'm very pro-science. However, I'm a pragmatist, and am as willing to dismiss medicine that isn't working as I am pseudo-science that isn't working. And, while I don't want to go to religion, I do want to say that science cannot claim that things exist outside of its framework. Science gives us a really good emperical view of the world, but it is only a modeling system. That is, while each new scientific paradigm brings about a new way of looking at the Universe -- Aristotle, Mechanichs, Relativity, Quantum Mech -- each one shows that the preceding model was insufficient in some way. So science gives us these excellent *models* of the world, but let's not forget that its just only a model. Like Camelot.</blockquote>

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