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<blockquote data-quote="Eolin" data-source="post: 2196824" data-attributes="member: 13266"><p>Here's the hard one. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p></p><p>At one time, the atkins diet had no basis in scientific fact. Go back far enough, neither did non-uniform ciruclar movement of the planets. Same goes for everything that has been tryed. Saying that isn't now backed by science does not say that it is wrong, just that it has not been experimented with under sciences controlled conditions.</p><p></p><p>Also, its a big ole personal attack to call me gullible. And, indirectly, stupid. It has worked, and I've noticed really wonderful differences since I first began the lemon juice 4 months ago. So what if it hasn't been tested under controlled conditions? It works, and that's what I'm concerned with.</p><p></p><p>When you call it "stupid", that just says to me that you cannot yet accept it, as it is so far outside your paradigm. Six months ago, I would have completely agreed with you. I'm not gullible, I'm experimental. And this works.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I don't rightly know if that's the same website I've read, or if you googled for it. The origional book is called "Master Cleanser" and its bvy Richard Burroughs, I believe.</p><p></p><p>No, it works. It just gets overloaded by the sheer amount of absolute <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> in our world today.</p><p></p><p>My asthma and allergies are ridiculously lessened after those nine days. I'm sure it'll come back, but for now I can smell the flowers, cuddle the dog, etc without worrying about my allergies. That's never happened before.</p><p></p><p>Why mention jalepenos? They contain different chemicals. By your own standards, they shoudn't have the same sort of affect. Cayenne pepper is known to raise metabolism, why do you find it so incredibly impossible that it can't have other neat properties western science doesn't know about?</p><p></p><p></p><p>Ok, now you're just being silly. And you know it. "rest" in the article means not working as hard. For instance, my heart beats less rapidly when I'm sitting than when I'm running. When my car is idling, the engine is at a much lower RPM than when I'm one the highway. Its that sort of rest. It allows your body to not have to worry about getting rid of new toxins, so instead you can heal yourself.</p><p></p><p>And I'm really not sure about what it said about fermentation. Perhaps I'll check that link when I get home. For now though, I'll at least say that not all fermentation produces wine.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Rejuvenate, sure. But less. Its just what entropy does.</p><p></p><p>You assume I have a health care professional. I havn't been able to afford medical insurance in four years, and when I was on it I had a constant stream of drugs for my allergies. When I decided to stop taking those, I felt tremdensouly better. My mind cleared, and the world was beautiful. Its actually a lot like the difference women tell me they get when they go off the pill.</p><p></p><p>As for dangerous? I'm monitoring my condition, as are my loved ones. I'm better in touch with my body than I've ever been, and I've learned to listen.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I know I cannot convince you, and that's the said part. There are no studies, what there are is anecdotal evidence. One of the things I did was to look around the net for first-hand experiences. I figured if somebody had a bad one they'd post it. I coudn't find it. </p><p></p><p>As for not being able to argue from a factual standpoint, that's just plain wrong. I can easily argue (and am) that I feel better, that I'm in better shape, etc etc. While those can be dismissed, the weight I have lost (30 pounds, 4 months) is an undeniable fact. It can't be argued, and I don't see you disagreeing with it. </p><p></p><p>For me to defend it *to you* is a waste of time, merely because you will never believe it. I opened my mind to possibilities of things that I don't understand, and I am the better for it. And again, six months ago I would have been on your side arguing against the crazy man. But now I've learned there are more things in heaven and earth than are dreampt of in Science's philosphy.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Eolin, post: 2196824, member: 13266"] Here's the hard one. :) At one time, the atkins diet had no basis in scientific fact. Go back far enough, neither did non-uniform ciruclar movement of the planets. Same goes for everything that has been tryed. Saying that isn't now backed by science does not say that it is wrong, just that it has not been experimented with under sciences controlled conditions. Also, its a big ole personal attack to call me gullible. And, indirectly, stupid. It has worked, and I've noticed really wonderful differences since I first began the lemon juice 4 months ago. So what if it hasn't been tested under controlled conditions? It works, and that's what I'm concerned with. When you call it "stupid", that just says to me that you cannot yet accept it, as it is so far outside your paradigm. Six months ago, I would have completely agreed with you. I'm not gullible, I'm experimental. And this works. I don't rightly know if that's the same website I've read, or if you googled for it. The origional book is called "Master Cleanser" and its bvy Richard Burroughs, I believe. No, it works. It just gets overloaded by the sheer amount of absolute :):):):) in our world today. My asthma and allergies are ridiculously lessened after those nine days. I'm sure it'll come back, but for now I can smell the flowers, cuddle the dog, etc without worrying about my allergies. That's never happened before. Why mention jalepenos? They contain different chemicals. By your own standards, they shoudn't have the same sort of affect. Cayenne pepper is known to raise metabolism, why do you find it so incredibly impossible that it can't have other neat properties western science doesn't know about? Ok, now you're just being silly. And you know it. "rest" in the article means not working as hard. For instance, my heart beats less rapidly when I'm sitting than when I'm running. When my car is idling, the engine is at a much lower RPM than when I'm one the highway. Its that sort of rest. It allows your body to not have to worry about getting rid of new toxins, so instead you can heal yourself. And I'm really not sure about what it said about fermentation. Perhaps I'll check that link when I get home. For now though, I'll at least say that not all fermentation produces wine. Rejuvenate, sure. But less. Its just what entropy does. You assume I have a health care professional. I havn't been able to afford medical insurance in four years, and when I was on it I had a constant stream of drugs for my allergies. When I decided to stop taking those, I felt tremdensouly better. My mind cleared, and the world was beautiful. Its actually a lot like the difference women tell me they get when they go off the pill. As for dangerous? I'm monitoring my condition, as are my loved ones. I'm better in touch with my body than I've ever been, and I've learned to listen. I know I cannot convince you, and that's the said part. There are no studies, what there are is anecdotal evidence. One of the things I did was to look around the net for first-hand experiences. I figured if somebody had a bad one they'd post it. I coudn't find it. As for not being able to argue from a factual standpoint, that's just plain wrong. I can easily argue (and am) that I feel better, that I'm in better shape, etc etc. While those can be dismissed, the weight I have lost (30 pounds, 4 months) is an undeniable fact. It can't be argued, and I don't see you disagreeing with it. For me to defend it *to you* is a waste of time, merely because you will never believe it. I opened my mind to possibilities of things that I don't understand, and I am the better for it. And again, six months ago I would have been on your side arguing against the crazy man. But now I've learned there are more things in heaven and earth than are dreampt of in Science's philosphy. [/QUOTE]
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