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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Darren" data-source="post: 1828600" data-attributes="member: 22701">Ok....Let's look at the sentence right before the one quoted:"Instead of rolling 1d20 for the skill check, just calculate your result as if you had rolled a 20." [emphasis mine]And again, from the glossary:take 20: To assume that a character makes sufficient retries to obtain the maximum possible check result (as if a 20 were rolled on a d20).  Taking 20 takes as much time as making twenty separate skill checks (usually at least 2 minutes).  Taking 20 assumes that the character fails many times before succeeding, and thus can't be used if failure carries negative consequences.If you take the last sentence strictly literally, you might be able to say that taking 20 means success, but that contradicts the first sentence, which says to treat it like a die roll.  Would it have helped if the writers had said "Taking 20 assumes that the character fails many times before succeeding rolling a 20?Finally, from PHB, page 63:"Unlike with attack rolls and saving throws, a natural roll of 20 on the d20 is not an automatic success, and a natural roll of 1 is not an automatic failure."When you take 20 you calculate the result as if you had rolled a 20, and rolling a 20 is not automatic success.  I dunno how to say it more clearly...  Anyway, this is the most amusing rules discussion I've read.  Anyone want to discuss searching and Taking 10?...   <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/paranoid.png"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":uhoh:" title="Paranoid    :uhoh:" data-shortname=":uhoh:" /></blockquote>

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