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Message: <blockquote data-quote="FoxWander" data-source="post: 3908402" data-attributes="member: 1356">One of the PCs in the campaign I'm in is a Dread Necromancer who's five levels away from becoming a lich. That in itself is not a problem. The fact that he started out neutral (like the rest of us), has now slid into evil and is wholly embracing his evilness is the problem. In fact, he's made a pact with a god (Toldoth, DD p210) who is pretty much the incarnation of evil and death! The only reason this isn't a campaign stopping problem right now is that we HAVE to finish our quest or magic ceases to exist EVERYWHERE- a situation that nobody wants, not even the incarnation of evil and death. Everything is fine for now. Our characters are actually getting along fine, we are functioning well as a group and proceeding with our quest. But the two of us that aren't evil and making pacts with evil can foresee that all bets might be off the moment the magic destroying crisis is over and its just us and him (and his army of undead, his scary undead cohort and the evil deity on his side!!!). So I'm looking for some help, advice, tips and tactics for dealing with him IF that's how this winds up going. I don't plan to annihilate him as soon as I get my chance, but I want to be well prepared to do so if I have to.Here's a little more detail on the PCs involved.  Warning- much craziness here. The campaign started out kinda munchkinny (not OUR doing- it's the DMs fault) and just got weirder from thereThe "enemy" - He's a dread necro, like I said, but he'll be a full-on lich before we're finished and working on some other spell-casting class by then. He is currently undead, having managed to give himself the corpse creature template to do it (in fact, I helped him acheive this). He's taking undead leadership either next level (15th) or at 18th and wants to get a death knight cohort.Myself - Warforged wizard/warmage/ultimate magus. I'll be finishing out ultimate magus next level and moving into spellwarped sniper as soon as I take one level in "something" that will give me sneak attack so I meet the prereqs. I also am taking Leadership next level (but not the undead kind) and plan to get an Artificer cohort. In fact I've talked the DM into allowing my cohort to be a very intelligent and well-cultured guttersnipe raggamoffyn (MM2 p174). I plan to have the bulk of my followers be either warforged or some kind of constructs.My wife's character- I've lost track of her actual classes. She's a mix of swordsage, cleric, something else and has moved into jade phoenix mage (actually jade phoenix cleric, the DM let her tweak the PrC a bit). Her main tactics are being extremely fast, extremely stealthy (she's a whisper gnome with the dark creature template) and very versatile. She mainly fights but can do a little of everything with her various abilities/spells.The DM PC- our 4th character is the DMs. He's our tank. Fighter/whirling dervish/something else that hits things with pointy things. He too has become a freak since our encounter with a Kython lair which left him as some kind of 'half-kython'. When the big PC brawl breaks out I'm not sure which side he'll be on.So that's what I'm dealing with- in a nuthsell. Resources are not a problem (see the post <a href="http://www.enworld.org/showthread.php?t=200630" target="_blank">HERE</a> for more detail on the resources and some more campaign background). I've got plenty of cash and spare magic items to feed my artificer and his retain essence ability to build whatever I might need. I just need some help deciding WHAT I might need. And how I can get it without making the lich-to-be suspicious!If it hits the fan, it might be RIGHT after the huge quest-resolving, world-saving battle with the BIG BAD. So I need something I can hold in reserve (a very secret reserve) and be able to pull it out at a moment's notice. And we'll need to be able to deal with not only the Lich, but his Death Knight buddy, whatever of his undead horde that might be left AND whatever potential curve balls his pact with the other big bad might give him!! Any ideas, advice or tactics for epic spellcasters against an epic lich and all his friends? I have some initial thoughts to get advice on, but I'll add them in another post tomorrow- it's late and this is long enough as it is.  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> Thanks for reading and I appreciate any help you can give.</blockquote>

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