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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Storme" data-source="post: 3910620" data-attributes="member: 56172">I'm not a smasher type.  If it came down to it, I would either drop an antimagic shell and beat the guys up, or teleport out and deal with him from afar.  If it were my wizard in your group, I would obtain a piece or two of his body, hair or what not and make a simulacrum right away and keep them somewhere.  Nothing like asking a sim what the original is likely to do.  Start collecting pieces of badguys and have your Sim army fight his Undead army.  Yours will win.If he gets the drop on you, escape and deal with him subtly.  Otherwise, the Trap the Soul idea is the only real way to guarantee success.  If you're not able or willing to deal with him subtly over time to eventually release the Trap the Soul, then consider effects for which there are no saves for.  There are many effects that just tear us up as players.  Most of them are very low level.  One thing you can do is to set up Contingent spell on everyone, and either make a wand or scroll to everyone else in your party to fire...Ray of Stupidity.  Its the ultimate effect vs arcane casters.  There is no save, but SR can work but if a bunch of you shoot this and keep it up till hes a blithering idiot, he's helpless.  If the guy has a 24 intelligence, then just one folly of these from 4 of you will make it so he can't cast higher then level 2 spells.  And another will drop his int to 1.  And as far as dealing with his minions...undead have so many weaknesses it's not funny.  There should be little or no threat to a party.Still, sublty is much better than a heavy hammer.Also, remind the DM and him that with a Corpse Template, he cannot become a lich.  That might put a stopper on things without any problems.</blockquote>

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