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<blockquote data-quote="circadianwolf" data-source="post: 5101013" data-attributes="member: 87990">I love Tharizdun and look forward to seeing what this produces. (Although I keep his morality in question, with a cult viewing him as a gnostic figure and the other gods filling in for the Demiurge.)I don't think inducing madness has to equal daze, stun, or other action-denying conditions. In fact I wonder if a straight-up fight is even appropriate; what comes to mind to me instead of beating on a giant boss is dealing with lots of illusions and encounters that end up with players accidentally fighting each other. Might even break out some sanity systems from another RPG. (I once ran an encounter with some newbie players where I told them they'd been separated and actually ran two combats in separate rooms, switching between them each round. After one group had defeated their enemies, they realized they'd been fighting each other. Probably couldn't have done it with a more experienced group, of course, but in the circumstances it went brilliantly.)As a side note, is there anywhere in 4E that actually talks about Tharizdun wanting to erase existence? From what I've seen it's just been &quot;the Chained God created the Abyss with a shard of pure evil&quot; (whatever that would be).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="circadianwolf, post: 5101013, member: 87990"] I love Tharizdun and look forward to seeing what this produces. (Although I keep his morality in question, with a cult viewing him as a gnostic figure and the other gods filling in for the Demiurge.) I don't think inducing madness has to equal daze, stun, or other action-denying conditions. In fact I wonder if a straight-up fight is even appropriate; what comes to mind to me instead of beating on a giant boss is dealing with lots of illusions and encounters that end up with players accidentally fighting each other. Might even break out some sanity systems from another RPG. (I once ran an encounter with some newbie players where I told them they'd been separated and actually ran two combats in separate rooms, switching between them each round. After one group had defeated their enemies, they realized they'd been fighting each other. Probably couldn't have done it with a more experienced group, of course, but in the circumstances it went brilliantly.) As a side note, is there anywhere in 4E that actually talks about Tharizdun wanting to erase existence? From what I've seen it's just been "the Chained God created the Abyss with a shard of pure evil" (whatever that would be). [/QUOTE]

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