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<blockquote data-quote="Veril" data-source="post: 2407686" data-attributes="member: 33452">The biggest problem with the plan from the players perspective is that when the shapechange wears off the player loses the create spawn ability.&nbsp; The command your own created spawn is a part of the supernatural ability.&nbsp; It's not listed seperatly from the create spawn, it IS a part of the create spawn.&nbsp; &nbsp;Next, it states in the description for shadows that &quot;shadows cannot speak intelligibly&quot; - so how are these orders from the 'master' shadow issued to his spawn?&nbsp; Nothing implies telepathihc contact between shadows.&nbsp; &nbsp;Now, as an assumed limit to the number of spawn under his control - pretty much everything limits you to controlling a maximum of twice your own hit dice (clerics commanding undead, vampires controlling their spawn) this goes throughout all the rules generally.&nbsp; &nbsp;if you rationalise that the shadow's are formed from the essence of the person they were created from, then they may retain some knowledge of their previous life.&nbsp; In which case you can say they hate their master/killer and will seek to pervert ever command given to them.&nbsp;There is (to my mind) a 'natural' resistance to being dominatede/controlled - creatures do not want to be under the control of another.&nbsp; If you assume that, then the spawn would want their master destroyed in order to be free, so again, they would go out of their way to pervert the commands given to them.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Veril, post: 2407686, member: 33452"] The biggest problem with the plan from the players perspective is that when the shapechange wears off the player loses the create spawn ability. The command your own created spawn is a part of the supernatural ability. It's not listed seperatly from the create spawn, it IS a part of the create spawn. Next, it states in the description for shadows that "shadows cannot speak intelligibly" - so how are these orders from the 'master' shadow issued to his spawn? Nothing implies telepathihc contact between shadows. Now, as an assumed limit to the number of spawn under his control - pretty much everything limits you to controlling a maximum of twice your own hit dice (clerics commanding undead, vampires controlling their spawn) this goes throughout all the rules generally. if you rationalise that the shadow's are formed from the essence of the person they were created from, then they may retain some knowledge of their previous life. In which case you can say they hate their master/killer and will seek to pervert ever command given to them. There is (to my mind) a 'natural' resistance to being dominatede/controlled - creatures do not want to be under the control of another. If you assume that, then the spawn would want their master destroyed in order to be free, so again, they would go out of their way to pervert the commands given to them. [/QUOTE]

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