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<blockquote data-quote="Patryn of Elvenshae" data-source="post: 2412194" data-attributes="member: 23094">Except that vampires work the same way:It also doesn't mention mental control - and it is certainly not an Enchantment effect, as you mention later in your post, because undead are immune to Mind-Affecting effects (and thus the Enchantment school as a whole).Ah, so let's look at an Evil cleric's ability to command undead, shall we?Here, it is specifically called out that a commanded undead is, in fact, under mental control.&nbsp; Similarly, the Dominate Person spell says:It's not so called out in any other case (see the vampire above) which means you have one of two choices:1) They really meant it to be ongoing mental control, but just forgot to write it explicitly2) When they meant something to be ongoing mental control, they specifically said it was mental control, and since they didn't here, it isn'tPersonally, my opinion is that it's the 2nd.&nbsp; For some reason, when you spawn an undead, that undead is bound to follow your commands, even when it doesn't like it.&nbsp; It's magic.&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="Patryn of Elvenshae, post: 2412194, member: 23094"] Except that vampires work the same way: It also doesn't mention mental control - and it is certainly not an Enchantment effect, as you mention later in your post, because undead are immune to Mind-Affecting effects (and thus the Enchantment school as a whole). Ah, so let's look at an Evil cleric's ability to command undead, shall we? Here, it is specifically called out that a commanded undead is, in fact, under mental control. Similarly, the Dominate Person spell says: It's not so called out in any other case (see the vampire above) which means you have one of two choices: 1) They really meant it to be ongoing mental control, but just forgot to write it explicitly 2) When they meant something to be ongoing mental control, they specifically said it was mental control, and since they didn't here, it isn't Personally, my opinion is that it's the 2nd. For some reason, when you spawn an undead, that undead is bound to follow your commands, even when it doesn't like it. It's magic. ;) [/QUOTE]

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