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<blockquote data-quote="Patryn of Elvenshae" data-source="post: 2415021" data-attributes="member: 23094">Not necessarily.Let's say a shadow kills you via Strength damage in round 10, after your action, and rolls a 1 on the 1d4.&nbsp; What is your character's status at his initiative count in Round 11?Note that you're only a viable target for Raise Dead, et al., if you are a &quot;corpse.&quot;&nbsp; If you are, at this point, considered undead by the rules (and are therefore a creature and not an object), those spells don't work.Moreover:Raise Dead cannot overcome Mummy Rot, for instance, or Bestow Curse.&nbsp; Are we then to suppose that it can overcome the spawn rules?Certainly, there's nothing that says it can't, but then, there's nothing that says it can, either.Well, that would be my question.&nbsp; At what point do we consider the person slain by the shadow to be undead?&nbsp; Certainly, he's undead 1d4 rounds later, but is he effectively undead as soon as the Create Spawn ability begins to work?There are two ways in which this situation cleans up very nicely.1. You are considered undead as soon as you are subject to a create spawn ability; or,2. Spells like Raise Dead, etc., prevent a particular instance of the create spawn ability from working (i.e., they &quot;cure&quot; it).I'm looking for rules text to either support or deny either of the above statements.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Patryn of Elvenshae, post: 2415021, member: 23094"] Not necessarily. Let's say a shadow kills you via Strength damage in round 10, after your action, and rolls a 1 on the 1d4. What is your character's status at his initiative count in Round 11? Note that you're only a viable target for Raise Dead, et al., if you are a "corpse." If you are, at this point, considered undead by the rules (and are therefore a creature and not an object), those spells don't work. Moreover: Raise Dead cannot overcome Mummy Rot, for instance, or Bestow Curse. Are we then to suppose that it can overcome the spawn rules? Certainly, there's nothing that says it can't, but then, there's nothing that says it can, either. Well, that would be my question. At what point do we consider the person slain by the shadow to be undead? Certainly, he's undead 1d4 rounds later, but is he effectively undead as soon as the Create Spawn ability begins to work? There are two ways in which this situation cleans up very nicely. 1. You are considered undead as soon as you are subject to a create spawn ability; or, 2. Spells like Raise Dead, etc., prevent a particular instance of the create spawn ability from working (i.e., they "cure" it). I'm looking for rules text to either support or deny either of the above statements. [/QUOTE]

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