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<blockquote data-quote="Pielorinho" data-source="post: 1377019" data-attributes="member: 259">How is a first-level character getting access to a fourth-level spell?&nbsp;With a third-level spell (fireball), a fifth-level wizard could easily extort goods from your average peasant.&nbsp; The difference is that a wizard with a fireball is a lot less likely to attract the attention of treasure-seeking adventurers than reports of a small dragon in the area.&nbsp;That said, given the penalties for adopting an unusual form, it'd be completely reasonable to allow anyone (but especially another dragon) a sense motive check to figure out that something's up.&nbsp; And that's just from watching the polymorph-dragon.&nbsp; Once the &quot;gold&quot; dragon forgoes breath weapons or spells, the red dragon will definitely figure out that something's not right.&nbsp;I will say that I've seen polymorphing into a dragon work well once:&nbsp; when my PC's fire immunity was dispelled in the elemental plane of fire, I thought I was toast.&nbsp; The quick-thinking party sorcerer read a scroll of polymorph and turned me into a red dragon, however; since in 3.5 you gain the type and subtype of your new form, I gained the fire subtype, and was immune to fire again <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />.&nbsp;Daniel</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Pielorinho, post: 1377019, member: 259"] How is a first-level character getting access to a fourth-level spell? With a third-level spell (fireball), a fifth-level wizard could easily extort goods from your average peasant. The difference is that a wizard with a fireball is a lot less likely to attract the attention of treasure-seeking adventurers than reports of a small dragon in the area. That said, given the penalties for adopting an unusual form, it'd be completely reasonable to allow anyone (but [b]especially[/b] another dragon) a sense motive check to figure out that something's up. And that's just from watching the polymorph-dragon. Once the "gold" dragon forgoes breath weapons or spells, the red dragon will definitely figure out that something's not right. I will say that I've seen polymorphing into a dragon work well once: when my PC's fire immunity was dispelled in the elemental plane of fire, I thought I was toast. The quick-thinking party sorcerer read a scroll of polymorph and turned me into a red dragon, however; since in 3.5 you gain the type and subtype of your new form, I gained the fire subtype, and was immune to fire again :). Daniel [/QUOTE]

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