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Message: <blockquote data-quote="jmartkdr2" data-source="post: 9356128" data-attributes="member: 7017304">I'll try, but I thik you have a bad luck problem, or perhaps just the annoying-vegan fallacy.Make a character - not just a build or a token, and not just a name and some attributes. They should goals, motivations, fears, etc. This is a character for a story that we're going to create together. The player is expected to help tell the other pcs' stories and get the same assistance in return - they'll talk and form connections and have heart-to-heart conversations about the crazy stuff that just happened. The character will be able to participate in story beats, but the dice may cause them to go in completely wild directions. They roll with it, and help other players tell other stories.The overall story isn't really planned; the dm creates a setting and characters interact with it and something story-shaped emerges, but ideally not exactly what anyone was expecting. Yeah, that's an uncool thing to do regardless of your personal style - I tend toward neotrad but it's on me to find games for that, it's not the dm's job to change their style to match my tastes. If it's a Traditional-Trad game I adjust my playstyle to match; if it's OSR I decline to play in the first place. The dm sets the style, not the players, unless the dm agrees to try to switch styles. (note: I've never seen a dm forced to switch styles who still managed to make it work; I have seen dm's decide to adjust their style after being exposed to how another dm does things.)Are you trying to find players of many styles? That's... tricky, at best. It's probably better to just advertise your game as a specific style and only take players who want to do that.I think the people you're running into are just entitled jerks; every style of play has those, but they're the exception everywhere. That's what I call the annoying-vegan fallacy: it's not that most vegans are annoying, it's that you don't even notice the not-annoying ones because they're just quietly eating carrots and corn and potato salad and not picking up a burger.</blockquote>

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