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<blockquote data-quote="bloodtide" data-source="post: 9358636" data-attributes="member: 6684958">Well, I'm using the common defination of the word &quot;whim&quot;, like the one found on Dictonary.com: &quot; an odd or capricious notion or desire; a sudden or freakish fancy: a sudden whim to take a midnight walk.&quot;&nbsp; There is nothing about caring.&nbsp; And looking back I typed &quot;most&quot; and &quot;many&quot; and all other such conditional words and not absolutes...I see this as a good split.&nbsp; You see Neo T as using &quot;reasonable choice&quot; and &quot;considerate&quot; as per the groups definitions of each word.&nbsp; The Traditional DM just does whatever they want too.&nbsp;&nbsp; But both DMs are trying to make a fun game.&nbsp; But words like &quot;considerate&quot; just float around, until you give them a meaning.&nbsp; This is the old Black Hat/White Hat.&nbsp; The Traditional DM is in on way doing anything bad to the players.....but acting as the DM of the game, they have no limits as to what they will do to a character.See above.This goes back to having a group that just agrees with you on nearly everything.&nbsp; Then sure the things you do will be fine with them: they are pre approved.It is.&nbsp; Though as you typed above, you only see the bad jerk DM side.&nbsp; It's like saying fire is bad as it burns people and things, and ignoring that fire also keeps us warm and cooks food.&nbsp; Well, the Neo T game is all about the character's first...and the players are the ones with characters.&nbsp; And the players are the ones making arcs for their characters, and telling the DM.&nbsp; Then the DM runs the game based on that. To run down the quick list:&nbsp; Would you ever randomly kill a PC? Have the PCs be captured?&nbsp; Have the PCs loose items and equipment? Have the PC be subject to a long lasting effect they can't undo?&nbsp; Would you mind control a PC?Now, sure, it's easy to say &quot;oh, I had a PC loose a copper spoon in my last game&quot; to say that loosing things happens in a set game.&nbsp; So, for some more details:*Have a PC loose their major part of their character build.&nbsp; The classic is the wizard loosing the spellbook.&nbsp; *Have the PC be lost, with no easy way home.*Have the PCs be captured.&nbsp; Loose all their stuff and then try and escape.*Have PCs tumble off bridges, walls or cliffs and loose times that can't just be replaced.*Have the PC transformed into an animal, and now must play the game as that animal.*Have the PC under the effect of a major curse, like they can not heal, that they just can't &quot;remove&quot; easy*Have the PC under mind control for an extended time, at least a game session All of the above is common in Traditional game play....but rare in Neo T.&nbsp; Most Neo T players and DMs don't even like most of the above, and would not put them in any game.&nbsp; Many DMs feel they need to ask permission before they have an event like capturing the PCs.&nbsp; And even if the PCs agree, they will have conditions......like all the characters stuff must be in a box right next to their cell so they get all their stuff back.For many of the above, a Neo T player would just quit the game.&nbsp; The traditional player just plays through it.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="bloodtide, post: 9358636, member: 6684958"] Well, I'm using the common defination of the word "whim", like the one found on Dictonary.com: " an odd or capricious notion or desire; a sudden or freakish fancy:[I] a sudden whim to take a midnight walk." [/I]There is nothing about caring.[I] [/I] And looking back I typed "most" and "many" and all other such conditional words and not absolutes... I see this as a good split. You see Neo T as using "reasonable choice" and "considerate" as per the groups definitions of each word. The Traditional DM just does whatever they want too. But both DMs are trying to make a fun game. But words like "considerate" just float around, until you give them a meaning. This is the old Black Hat/White Hat. The Traditional DM is in on way doing anything bad to the players.....but acting as the DM of the game, they have no limits as to what they will do to a character. See above. This goes back to having a group that just agrees with you on nearly everything. Then sure the things you do will be fine with them: they are pre approved. It is. Though as you typed above, you only see the bad jerk DM side. It's like saying fire is bad as it burns people and things, and ignoring that fire also keeps us warm and cooks food. Well, the Neo T game is all about the character's first...and the players are the ones with characters. And the players are the ones making arcs for their characters, and telling the DM. Then the DM runs the game based on that. To run down the quick list: Would you ever randomly kill a PC? Have the PCs be captured? Have the PCs loose items and equipment? Have the PC be subject to a long lasting effect they can't undo? Would you mind control a PC? Now, sure, it's easy to say "oh, I had a PC loose a copper spoon in my last game" to say that loosing things happens in a set game. So, for some more details: *Have a PC loose their major part of their character build. The classic is the wizard loosing the spellbook. *Have the PC be lost, with no easy way home. *Have the PCs be captured. Loose all their stuff and then try and escape. *Have PCs tumble off bridges, walls or cliffs and loose times that can't just be replaced. *Have the PC transformed into an animal, and now must play the game as that animal. *Have the PC under the effect of a major curse, like they can not heal, that they just can't "remove" easy *Have the PC under mind control for an extended time, at least a game session All of the above is common in Traditional game play....but rare in Neo T. Most Neo T players and DMs don't even like most of the above, and would not put them in any game. Many DMs feel they need to ask permission before they have an event like capturing the PCs. And even if the PCs agree, they will have conditions......like all the characters stuff must be in a box right next to their cell so they get all their stuff back. For many of the above, a Neo T player would just quit the game. The traditional player just plays through it. [/QUOTE]

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