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Message: <blockquote data-quote="tetrasodium" data-source="post: 9359705" data-attributes="member: 93670">Specific example  context matters, your earlier point that frogreaver too issue with is with is presented as bit overly absolute.[spoiler="said statement"][/spoiler]Take these 2e quotes as an example of the first & most obvious examples from an edition known for being about as far into trad & "the GM is god" that ttrpgs have ever gone.[spoiler="2ePHB pg113"] Although your DM has the rules for handling spellresearch, there are some things you should know about howto proceed. First and foremost, research means that you and your DM will be working together to expand the game. This is not a job he does for you! Without your input, nothing hap-pens. Second, whatever your character researches, it cannotbe more powerful than the spells he is already able to cast.If it is, you must wait until your character can cast spells of anequal power. (Thus, as a 1st-level wizard, you cannotresearch a spell that is as powerful as a fireball. You mustwait until your character can cast a fireball.) Finally, you willhave to be patient and willing to have your character spendsome money. He won’t create the spell immediately, asresearch takes time. It also takes money, so you can expectyour DM to use this opportunity to relieve your character ofsome of that excess cash. But, after all, how better for a spell-caster to spend his money? Knowing these things, you should first write up a descrip-tion of the spell you want to create. Be sure to include infor-mation on components, saving throws, range, duration, andall the other entries you find in the normal spell listings. Whenyou give your DM the written description, tell him what youwant the spell to do. (Sometimes what you write isn’t reallywhat you mean, and talking to your DM is a good way toprevent confusion.) After this, he will either accept or rejectyour spell. This is his choice and not all DMs will have thesame answer. Don’t kick and complain; find out what changesare needed to make the spell acceptable. You can probablyiron out the differences. Once all these things are done, your character can researchthe spell. Be ready for this to take some time. Eventually hewill succeed, although the spell may not do quite what heexpected. Your DM may revise the spell, perhaps reducing thearea of effect or damage inflicted. Finally, all you have to do isname your spell. This should be something suitably pomp-ous, such as “Delsenora’s Malevolent Steamroller.” After all,you want something to impress the locals![/spoiler][spoiler="2edmg pg117"] Creating a magical item is much like researching a new spell. The DM and the player must cooperate and work together to bring about the desired goal. However, thereare differences. In magical item research, the desired goalis usually well-known to both the player andthe DM. The player says, “Rupert wants to cre-ate a potion of clairaudience.” The effect isknown; what must be done to create it isn’t.Therefore, once the player has stated hisdesire, the DM decides what materials, formu-lae, spells, and rites must be acquired and/orperformed to create the item. Once the DM knows this, the player canproceed. He does not tell the player whathe needs to do! It is up to the player to dis-cover the processes and steps required tocreate a magical item, however small. Hemay consult a sage, seek the guidance of ahigher level spellcaster, or even use spells tocall upon greater powers. Even after learning what he must do, thespellcaster may have to do further researchto learn the techniques required for eachstep. All of this will cost the character timeand money, so his dedication and resourcesmust be substantial if he hopes to succeed.The process of gathering the needed infor-mation and materials is a grand excuse for[/spoiler]Going all the way back you will find GM's who were happy to listen to/read & integrate player sourced additions into their game worlds & campaigns. Presenting claims to the contrary by describing what many would call a bad or newbie GM who is still learning as the gold standard just invites a deeper look at the other half of the claim.  Even that other half is questionable & more complicated in system dependent ways; see the recent fate aspects & compels discussion or consider the impact of trying to play almost any other game with the self sabotage & backstabbing expected by games like fiasco & paranoia</blockquote>

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