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<blockquote data-quote="gban007" data-source="post: 9362418" data-attributes="member: 56488">Fair enough - I note we didn't use Lobelia or Rorimac, so didn't run into those issues there in play - I agree that those two do create a bit of a dissonance.Re the map bit - it is clear in his opening spiel that it is the mathom house he wants it from - i.e. the local museum, and is enough grey in there I think for people to consider whether the hobbits would consider it stealing, plus it isn't a direct refusal as much as no reply - and with hobbits perhaps that's enough. (after all once Bilbo left the Shire in LoTR, people were quite happily trying to break down various parts of the house while Frodo is there to try and find the treasure, walk off with bits that aren't theirs).&nbsp; &nbsp; In addition it does have breakdown for loremaster if the characters consider taking other items - that it is one thing going for an item sponsored by Bilbo (And by implication, that he potentially has some right to) vs generic items being something the hobbits would find shameful.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="gban007, post: 9362418, member: 56488"] Fair enough - I note we didn't use Lobelia or Rorimac, so didn't run into those issues there in play - I agree that those two do create a bit of a dissonance. Re the map bit - it is clear in his opening spiel that it is the mathom house he wants it from - i.e. the local museum, and is enough grey in there I think for people to consider whether the hobbits would consider it stealing, plus it isn't a direct refusal as much as no reply - and with hobbits perhaps that's enough. (after all once Bilbo left the Shire in LoTR, people were quite happily trying to break down various parts of the house while Frodo is there to try and find the treasure, walk off with bits that aren't theirs). In addition it does have breakdown for loremaster if the characters consider taking other items - that it is one thing going for an item sponsored by Bilbo (And by implication, that he potentially has some right to) vs generic items being something the hobbits would find shameful. [/QUOTE]

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