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<blockquote data-quote="Dannyalcatraz" data-source="post: 7847472" data-attributes="member: 19675"><p>I haven’t understated Batman at all- the first thing I posted about him was that he has a plan to take down <em>every super being he knows of. </em>In a sense, that’s his “superpower”- being prepared beyond what most mortal beings (and some immortal ones) would ever conceive of being.</p><p></p><p>The problems for him are that:</p><p></p><p>1) he doesn’t know all of the various superbeings out there, not being omniscient. For example, does he know the difference between a Kryptonian and a Daxamite? (I’ve been away from comics in general for decades, but I don’t recall him ever encountering on.). Despite their similarities in ability, their vulnerabilities differ.</p><p></p><p>2) he is perforce dependent on his training and ”wonderful toys”, whereas many of the more powerful characters in the DC Universe are largely self-contained. If Superman decided to nuke Gotham from orbit, he might not be able to activate his anti-Supes plan without some mind-reading tech, and even if he had that, he might not have the ability to activate it while he’s otherwise occupied punching out the Joker for the Nth time. </p><p></p><p>Given that Supes- depending on the era and the writers- has demonstrated he’s capable of FTL, Bats may NOT have known for “an hour” that he‘d been targeted with a rock from space. New 52 Superman reached Pluto from Earth in 15 seconds, and had flown 45 billion light years to the Earth in 60 days. With only 60 days having passed on Earth, so no time dilation. Which has been calculated to have required a speed above 5 trillion times the speed of light. </p><p></p><p>A 2018 story had Superman covering some significant distance between him and a guy pulling the trigger on a hostage whose head is virtually in contact with the barrel in- and I quote- an “attosecond” in order to interpose his hand between gun and head. Given that kind of speed, could Bats react- or even design attack/defense systems to react- in time to defend a <em>punch</em> thrown at that speed (or a reasonable fraction thereof, depending on how fast he can accelerate from being motionless) from arm’s length?</p><p>[URL unfurl="true"]https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/gen-discussion-1/rebirth-supermans-new-speed-feat-ac-1000-spoilers-1944198/[/URL]</p><p></p><p>(Side note: if you look at those panels, you have to wonder what happened to the building materials he smashed through. Some clearly remained intact as chunks...how fast were they going? Did they vaporize into plasma before impacting anything else?)</p><p></p><p>Or getting away from Superman, remember when Hal Jordan went rogue? What if, instead of what happened in the books, Hal had gone nutso on his way back from a mission in space, and simply decided to use his ring to create a giant crystalline lens between the sun and earth. Superman might be able to stop GL, as might others of similar capability, but Batman probably lacks tech and facilities significantly beyond the current capabilities of NASA. He would in some way have to figured out that <em>THIS</em> was the mission that would break Hal Jordan’s mind before he left on it, and taken preemptive measures, </p><p></p><p>Bats is preternaturally good, but he’s NOT an oracle.</p><p></p><p>As for Cortex+, what you describe is nothing special. There are many systems in which PCs of radically different “combat power levels” operate side-by-side in long running campaigns. HERO for sure. Some would say several editions of D&D are like that.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Dannyalcatraz, post: 7847472, member: 19675"] I haven’t understated Batman at all- the first thing I posted about him was that he has a plan to take down [I]every super being he knows of. [/I]In a sense, that’s his “superpower”- being prepared beyond what most mortal beings (and some immortal ones) would ever conceive of being. The problems for him are that: 1) he doesn’t know all of the various superbeings out there, not being omniscient. For example, does he know the difference between a Kryptonian and a Daxamite? (I’ve been away from comics in general for decades, but I don’t recall him ever encountering on.). Despite their similarities in ability, their vulnerabilities differ. 2) he is perforce dependent on his training and ”wonderful toys”, whereas many of the more powerful characters in the DC Universe are largely self-contained. If Superman decided to nuke Gotham from orbit, he might not be able to activate his anti-Supes plan without some mind-reading tech, and even if he had that, he might not have the ability to activate it while he’s otherwise occupied punching out the Joker for the Nth time. Given that Supes- depending on the era and the writers- has demonstrated he’s capable of FTL, Bats may NOT have known for “an hour” that he‘d been targeted with a rock from space. New 52 Superman reached Pluto from Earth in 15 seconds, and had flown 45 billion light years to the Earth in 60 days. With only 60 days having passed on Earth, so no time dilation. Which has been calculated to have required a speed above 5 trillion times the speed of light. A 2018 story had Superman covering some significant distance between him and a guy pulling the trigger on a hostage whose head is virtually in contact with the barrel in- and I quote- an “attosecond” in order to interpose his hand between gun and head. Given that kind of speed, could Bats react- or even design attack/defense systems to react- in time to defend a [I]punch[/I] thrown at that speed (or a reasonable fraction thereof, depending on how fast he can accelerate from being motionless) from arm’s length? [URL unfurl="true"]https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/gen-discussion-1/rebirth-supermans-new-speed-feat-ac-1000-spoilers-1944198/[/URL] (Side note: if you look at those panels, you have to wonder what happened to the building materials he smashed through. Some clearly remained intact as chunks...how fast were they going? Did they vaporize into plasma before impacting anything else?) Or getting away from Superman, remember when Hal Jordan went rogue? What if, instead of what happened in the books, Hal had gone nutso on his way back from a mission in space, and simply decided to use his ring to create a giant crystalline lens between the sun and earth. Superman might be able to stop GL, as might others of similar capability, but Batman probably lacks tech and facilities significantly beyond the current capabilities of NASA. He would in some way have to figured out that [I]THIS[/I] was the mission that would break Hal Jordan’s mind before he left on it, and taken preemptive measures, Bats is preternaturally good, but he’s NOT an oracle. As for Cortex+, what you describe is nothing special. There are many systems in which PCs of radically different “combat power levels” operate side-by-side in long running campaigns. HERO for sure. Some would say several editions of D&D are like that. [/QUOTE]
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