Okay, I've skimmed over Tome of Battle and read some of the reviews on it. The swordsage seems to be an interesting class, but do the maneuvers he learns make up for his lack of BAB and hit points? Can you play an ultimate swordmaster kensai type with a swordsage, or it the fighter with PHB II feats still the best choice for this?
Help me understand the swordsage
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Kae'Yoss
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I think for pure fighting prowess, you want the Warblade. Full BAB, d12.
Swordsage is more a monk, or maybe rogue with weapons. I'm using it to emulate a ninja (Shadow Hand and Desert Wind Disciplines - though my Drow calls them Darkness of the Night Below and Fire of the Night Above)
Swordsage is more a monk, or maybe rogue with weapons. I'm using it to emulate a ninja (Shadow Hand and Desert Wind Disciplines - though my Drow calls them Darkness of the Night Below and Fire of the Night Above)
So you decided that swordsage is more ninja than the ninja From CA? Interesting. On a side note, I was just thinking that and elf swashbuckler/knight/swordsage/Champion of Coerellon Larethian would be an interesting blademaster, particularly when using an elven courtblade. It's an cool concept and it would be pretty sweet to add 1 1/2 your str plus your dex, int, and wis modifieres to damage with a two-handed finesseable weapon.
Kae'Yoss
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Shazman said:
No. It's just another way to create a "shadow warrior" - besides rogue, lurk, ninja.
I had my ninja all ready to go when the book arrived and I found that I could make the concept work with this one, too. So I made the character with this class and liked what I saw. He can be really tough in the first couple of rounds.
I think that's stretching it a bit
But since you mention it: This character uses the courtblade, too (the DM allowed to add it to the Shadow Hand list). So I get strength and wis most of the time, and next level, I'll take the feat to add dex, too. Of course, his strength is 10, so the 1/5x strength doesn't help really.
A swordsage could easily fill the same role in combat as a ninja, but they're pretty worthless at the whole infiltration angle - which is a pretty big thing for a semi-magic assassin. They don't have trapsense as an ability (though I have houseruled away the need for it - but that's beside the point), and they don't get Search, Open Locks, or Disable Device as class skills.Shazman said:
If the CA ninja is somewhere between the monk and the rogue in abilities, the swordsage is somewhere between the monk and the ninja.
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