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Help me with good RP/Optimization balance for Half-Elf (probably)Valor Bard (archer?)
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<blockquote data-quote="OlegRu" data-source="post: 7602251" data-attributes="member: 6995253"><p>Hey man - thanks for the answers and your videos. </p><p></p><p>So I see you are from the "don't fight with your valor bard, cast with him" camp <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> </p><p></p><p>Interesting how different the suggestions are that I read from different sources. </p><p></p><p>Others have recommended something like taking Sharpshooter first, then raising +2 CHA to 18(since the bard is a significant caster as you said), then raising DEX to 18, then Warcaster or Charisma to 20. Also, many recommended a 1 lvl fighter dip for the archery fighting style to offset sharpshooter's -5 attack and so on. </p><p></p><p></p><p>3. I get it about the damage, but having sword and shield equipped will really mess with my casting (need a free hand for Material component, even after warcaster helps with the Somatic) and also leaves me more open to being hit as this is melee. With a bow I can keep my distance, hide behind stuff, and let one hand go to cast whenever. Having a rapier/shield at the ready, I can sometimes take em out and do some fighting in safer battles or for flavor. </p><p></p><p>4. A few things I didn't understand that you said about skills - why <em>all</em> the tools? (I get a tool from background and 3 instruments from class, though the DM is letting me mix and match instruments and tools if I want); what initiative bonus? </p><p></p><p></p><p>I understand you are leaning toward recommending more of a spellcaster, but I wanted to ask - what would be good progression choices (Starting options, ASIs, Feats, Spells, MC dip etc.) for each of the 2 types of Valor Bard that we're discussing:</p><p></p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Valor Bard Archer that leans more toward spell power</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Valor Bard Archer that want to get decent with bow+attacks</li> </ul></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="OlegRu, post: 7602251, member: 6995253"] Hey man - thanks for the answers and your videos. So I see you are from the "don't fight with your valor bard, cast with him" camp :) Interesting how different the suggestions are that I read from different sources. Others have recommended something like taking Sharpshooter first, then raising +2 CHA to 18(since the bard is a significant caster as you said), then raising DEX to 18, then Warcaster or Charisma to 20. Also, many recommended a 1 lvl fighter dip for the archery fighting style to offset sharpshooter's -5 attack and so on. 3. I get it about the damage, but having sword and shield equipped will really mess with my casting (need a free hand for Material component, even after warcaster helps with the Somatic) and also leaves me more open to being hit as this is melee. With a bow I can keep my distance, hide behind stuff, and let one hand go to cast whenever. Having a rapier/shield at the ready, I can sometimes take em out and do some fighting in safer battles or for flavor. 4. A few things I didn't understand that you said about skills - why [I]all[/I] the tools? (I get a tool from background and 3 instruments from class, though the DM is letting me mix and match instruments and tools if I want); what initiative bonus? I understand you are leaning toward recommending more of a spellcaster, but I wanted to ask - what would be good progression choices (Starting options, ASIs, Feats, Spells, MC dip etc.) for each of the 2 types of Valor Bard that we're discussing: [LIST] [*]Valor Bard Archer that leans more toward spell power [*] [*]Valor Bard Archer that want to get decent with bow+attacks [/LIST] [/QUOTE]
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