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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mythmere1" data-source="post: 2141089" data-attributes="member: 26563">I think a fighter would get better at riding a horse and spotting hidden rogues - the default in C&C is that you add your level to the roll.  In terms of stealth, this is an area where C&C alters the "feel" toward the archetypes instead of just being rules-lite.  It's definitely a system shock for anyone coming from 3E.  It's worth thinking for a moment about the environment it creates - not in light of 3E, I mean, but in terms of the kind of fiction or your view of things.  I didn't like this either when I first started Castles & Crusades, but then I realized that it seemed to make a more "heroic" feel to things when people are specialized.  The only one of your three examples where I think C&C WOULDN'T have you add your level is the stealth attempt.  Should your fighter really get better at stealth?  If the answer is yes, then that's cool - but it's worth thinking about.  If the rules-lite aspect of C&C still overrides, and you still prefer the C&C system, a good house rule is to give characters a bonus to certain types of "skill" checks as they advance.  The stealthy Conan-type fighter might get a +1 to stealth rolls, while the wizard uses his for knowledge-like rolls.The system's definitely designed to de-emphasize non core competencies (though as I noted before, I think you've got the default set at no-level-bonus, when the default is actually to grant it.  In other words, I think the appropriate issue may be puzzlement at why a wizard gets better at riding a horse, not puzzlement about why the fighter doesn't. There are lots of nuances that C&C just doesn't try to achieve.  These nuances are left for the CK to choose and house rule.  Which isn't for everyone.  But I *do* think you're evaluating it on one mistaken impression - that the siege engine's default is restrictive.  It actually tends to make character classes more similar in the non-core competencies, not more distinct.However, since the C&C system is less "elegant" than 3E, it tends to handle house rules better, with fewer cascading malfunctions when an element is altered.  So fixing what you don't like is easier.</blockquote>

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