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<blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 4718486" data-attributes="member: 4937">Sure, we can use fortune at the beginning and always find a way to explain what happened after we know what happened.&nbsp; But the problem is we don't expect Carl Lewis to 'stumble' 5 times in 20, and screw up big another 5 times in 20.&nbsp; If we watch long jumpers, it looks almost as if they are 'taking 20' every time they jump - a concept that is nonsense in d20 terms. What this implies is that the fortune part of the jump reflects only about 2&quot; per die result.&nbsp; That's not too bad.&nbsp; I can believe that I might jump one jump 5' and another jump 8', but if we accept that blindly it implies Carl Lewis has a jump bonus of about +120.&nbsp; This is number that is unwieldy for d20.&nbsp; If we cut it down to d20 size, it implies that we multiply our jump bonus by six, then add the die roll, then divide by 6, then add our base distance to get our distance in feet.&nbsp; That works, but its a rather heavy formula.This is an easy problem.&nbsp; We can just do for jump something like what was done for swimming.But as far as the ridiculous distance goes, I'm happy with 15th level characters jumping over school buses and small buildings without the aid of magic.&nbsp; What I don't want is them jumping over a small house one roll, and then having problems hopping across a mud puddle the next.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Celebrim, post: 4718486, member: 4937"] Sure, we can use fortune at the beginning and always find a way to explain what happened after we know what happened. But the problem is we don't expect Carl Lewis to 'stumble' 5 times in 20, and screw up big another 5 times in 20. If we watch long jumpers, it looks almost as if they are 'taking 20' every time they jump - a concept that is nonsense in d20 terms. What this implies is that the fortune part of the jump reflects only about 2" per die result. That's not too bad. I can believe that I might jump one jump 5' and another jump 8', but if we accept that blindly it implies Carl Lewis has a jump bonus of about +120. This is number that is unwieldy for d20. If we cut it down to d20 size, it implies that we multiply our jump bonus by six, then add the die roll, then divide by 6, then add our base distance to get our distance in feet. That works, but its a rather heavy formula. This is an easy problem. We can just do for jump something like what was done for swimming. But as far as the ridiculous distance goes, I'm happy with 15th level characters jumping over school buses and small buildings without the aid of magic. What I don't want is them jumping over a small house one roll, and then having problems hopping across a mud puddle the next. [/QUOTE]

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