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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Turanil" data-source="post: 2825166" data-attributes="member: 9646">Ah! okay I understand now. In fact, reading this gives me an entirely new idea: there is no astral plane at all. Instead, a spell like Astral Projection, is like it's supposed to be in real world (**shrug**): it's simply a creature projecting his spirit out of his material body. The spirit can travel everywhere on the material plane, and with some help (summoning from another plane for example), could travel to another plane, but still in immaterial form. One cannot enter physically a place called the Astral plane. (note: there is still something, almost insubstantial but there. Plus powerful creatures, such as imprisoned demons can materialize a body, or they can possess someone and then warp him).Now about the ethereal plane. This could be when one uses magic to phase out of reality, to vibrate at a difference frequency, something like that. So it's also not really a plane. Just the character changes of spectrum, of frequency... (well don't know what analogy or words to use). As such, one becomes able to go through walls, etc. The result would be that etherealness is possible in every plane, but it's not like an ethereal plane overlapping all the planes.</blockquote>