Help, Military/Vehicle Geeks!

takyris

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Starting out a campaign on Monday. It's going to involve two teams:

Team One is a corporate team. The PCs are on a ship outfitted for scientific research -- the corporation funding them is VERY wealthy, and the ship is GOOD. One of the players suggested a modified version of Western somethingorother that often gets used for patrol ships -- 74' long, room for a 5-person team plus a lot of equipment, and air-conditioning, which was important to all my players despite the fact that it had in-game effect (apparently they're roleplaying not wanting to be in a non-air-conditioned ship all the time) :)

Team Two is a military team. When the corporate team discovers something odd, the military is called in. I wanted the military team to be flown in via one of those helicopters that can land on water. They aren't anticipating air combat, so the chopper doesn't need to have much of anything in terms of combat capability. What it does need is decent speed, water-landing capability, and the ability to drop off a team of 5 military people and the team's equipment.

Notes:

The island that everyone is investigating is about 350 nautical miles off the coast of the United States, so the chopper will either need a range of 800 nautical miles, at least, or the ability to be outfitted with range-extending fuel tanks.

The ship is going to be people's home away from home. I don't want a huge ship, but I want something that will work.

The chopper is, ideally, just a mode of transportation. At 350 miles away, the island is way too far for people to "head back to town" by ship, but I want them to be able to make the trip back to the mainland by chopper without too much difficulty.

Help? Links? Ideas?

THANKS from a non-vehicle dude.
 

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To be honest, I've never seen a pontoon equipped helicopter larger than pilot/copilot. Everything the navy, marines, & coast guard use are meant to land on solid objects. They just use crazy pilots capable of making those helicopters look like they landed in water. Just put a landing pad on the ship, considering most modern ships have one these days in order to deal with medical emergencies that require transporting an ill or injured person to shore as quickly as possible.

As for the ship, just visit some marine research sites. I'm sure one or more details they ship they use. Here's a good site to start with: http://www.whoi.edu/science/science.html

Some of the research vessels on that page even include deck maps.
 


takyris said:
Team One is a corporate team. The PCs are on a ship outfitted for scientific research -- the corporation funding them is VERY wealthy, and the ship is GOOD. One of the players suggested a modified version of Western somethingorother that often gets used for patrol ships -- 74' long, room for a 5-person team plus a lot of equipment, and air-conditioning, which was important to all my players despite the fact that it had in-game effect (apparently they're roleplaying not wanting to be in a non-air-conditioned ship all the time) :)

Two words...

Glomar Explorer


Built by Howard Hughes.

"Officially" a privately owned deep sea mining ship, in actuality used by the CIA to attempt a secret recovery of a Soviet ballistic missile submarine that sunk in the middle of the Pacific.

Had an bottom opening, internal "moon pool" into which the sub could be raised without it ever leaving the water.

Is there a more apropriate ship anywhere in the world?

glomarexplorer4.jpg


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Dana_Jorgensen said:
To be honest, I've never seen a pontoon equipped helicopter larger than pilot/copilot. Everything the navy, marines, & coast guard use are meant to land on solid objects. They just use crazy pilots capable of making those helicopters look like they landed in water. Just put a landing pad on the ship, considering most modern ships have one these days in order to deal with medical emergencies that require transporting an ill or injured person to shore as quickly as possible.


FWIW The Navy's SH-3 Sea King were amphibious. They could carry 15 passengers (in addition to the flight crew) & had a range of aprox 500nm+.

For those who don't know what the Sea King is, if you've ever seen the helicopter's used to transport the President of the US...those are modified SH-3's (VH-3D to be exact).

The Army's HH-3 "Jolly Green Giant" was essentially the same aircraft.

The SH-3 was replaced by the SH-60 in Naval service.

Sh-3.jpg
 
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Dang, I love you guys. I love being able to contribute stuff that I know, and to also gleefully get help on stuff where I'm clueless.

The Sea Stallion deal sounds great for the military team. Absolutely perfect -- I'll pop some extra fuel tanks on there. Does the Sea Stallion have water-landing capabilities? I didn't see anything about that on the web link -- but I didn't see anything one way or the other, so I can't be sure. Water-landing would be helpful and neat, but is not absolutely essential.

The Glomar is definitely an option. I'll send that one to the group -- not sure if they want a small, maneuverable ship, or a large one that could really be a full-fledged home for them. Thanks!

Again, dude, you guys rock -- if anyone needs to hear about martial arts intricacies or weird archaeological facts, I so very totally owe you guys. :)
 

takyris said:
The Sea Stallion deal sounds great for the military team. Absolutely perfect -- I'll pop some extra fuel tanks on there. Does the Sea Stallion have water-landing capabilities? I didn't see anything about that on the web link -- but I didn't see anything one way or the other, so I can't be sure. Water-landing would be helpful and neat, but is not absolutely essential.


The Sea Stallion is not amphibious.

The version that best suits your needs is probably the MH-53J Pave Low.

It's a specially modified version who's primary mission is the insertion/extractin of special operations forces. It has upgraded avionics, armour & weapons and has a boom for air-to-air refueling.

(The cargo area also tends to reek during nap of the earth flights...being covered in vomit tends to do that. ;) )

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Krieg said:
Two words...

Glomar Explorer

Is there a more apropriate ship anywhere in the world?
How much does that thing go for (please cite US dollar amount and d20M stats).

In real-world, how many of this vessel have been constructed?


Krieg said:
FWIW The Navy's SH-3 Sea King were amphibious. They could carry 15 passengers (in addition to the flight crew) & had a range of aprox 500nm+.

For those who don't know what the Sea King is, if you've ever seen the helicopter's used to transport the President of the US...those are modified SH-3's (VH-3D to be exact).
Didn't realize it could float on water. Know where I can get more detailed info on that particular aircraft?

IIRC, the US President's rotary wing aircraft is designated "Marine One."
 

Ranger REG said:
How much does that thing go for (please cite US dollar amount and d20M stats).

In real-world, how many of this vessel have been constructed?

The Glomar Explorer cost an ungodly amount that a government could afford, but not a business. Even though Howard Hughes built it, he certainly didn't pay for it (what, a rich person spend his own money when he can spend someone else's?) Only one was built. IIRC, it cost either $100 million or $1 billion to build, and while the cover story was that it was to explore mineral deposits on the ocean floor, its sole purpose was to procure a sunken soviet nuclear sub, complete with its complement of nuclear-tipped missiles. The bottom of the ship's hull opened to lower an immanse rack of clawed brackets, which were then lowered over a mile into the water to scoop yo the sub and part of the sea floor. The sea floor quickly crumbled away, leaving the sub in a cage-like structure to haul it to the surface. Unfortunately, the claw wasn't strong enough to support the sub and several beams buckled, causing the dead sub to break in half, with much of it falling back to the sea floor. A small portion of the sub was recovered as well as several of its dead crew members who received a burial at sea. The Glomar Explorer could not be repaired at sea, so it returned to dry dock. While in dry dock for repairs to its submarine lifter, a reporter broke the story that the Glomar Explorer was not a scientific research vessel, but a CIA spy ship for stealing soviet submarines out of the water. After that, repairs were never completed, and the Glomar Explorer was eventually scrapped without ever completing its original mission.

Getting rid of the ship was quite unfortunate. Had it been repaired, or better yet modified/upgraded, the government could have easily recovered construction costs by hiring it out as a submarine recovery vessel used to recover not only sunken subs for other nations, but smaller sunken surface vessels as well. The idea never struck me as so complicated that the ship required an american crew. I think a foreign crew could have easily been trained to operate it.

The Glomar Explorer is covered repeatedly in a number of documentaries shown on the history channel/tlc/discovery channel cable networks. These documentaries are ones that either focus on submarines, the history of submarine warfare, or the cold war, rather than being specifically dedicated to the ship itself.
 

Ranger REG said:
How much does that thing go for (please cite US dollar amount and d20M stats).

In real-world, how many of this vessel have been constructed?

It cost aprox $200 mil to originally build the Explorer in the early 70's. She was refitted a few years ago & leased to Global Marine Drilling for use as a deep sea drilling platform. The refit cost aprox $180 mil & was completed in '98.

The Explorer has a length of 619ft & a beam (width) of 116ft. She has a draft of 35ft & weighs 63,000 tons. The internal "moon pool" was aprox 200 ft long.

The Explorer was the sole ship built of it's type, but was based upon the older (and smaller) Glomar Challenger.


Didn't realize it could float on water. Know where I can get more detailed info on that particular aircraft?

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/sh-3.htm
http://fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/hh-3.htm
http://fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/h-3.htm

Also try doing a google search on Sikorsky SH-3, VH-3, HH-3, UH-3 or S-61.

IIRC, the US President's rotary wing aircraft is designated "Marine One."

Anytime the President is aboard a Marine Corps aircraft that aircraft becomes "Marine One". Just as any AF aircraft becomes "Air Force One". Similarly (but less commonly) if he is on an Army bird it becomes "Army One" while a civilian aircraft would be callsign "Executive One".

The rest of the time any of the aircraft use their normal callsigns.

FWIW The Marine squadron that flies the VH-3Ds for the President is HMX-1. They also have VH-60Ns, CH-53Es & CH-46E in their inventory.
 

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