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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Pax" data-source="post: 1631846" data-attributes="member: 6875">True Necromancer requires you to go Cleric/Wizard ... and costs MORE caster elvels than Mystic theurge.  At 20th level, you could be Cleric(3)/Wizard(7)/Mystic Theurge(10), have 13 cleric caster levels, and 17 wizard caster levels ... compared to Cleric(5)/Wizard(5)/True Necromancer(10), and be (at best) the equivalent of Cleric(5)/Wizard(15) for most spells, and Cleric(20)/Wizard(20) for necromancy spells.  Which means giving up a large chunk of spells (9thlevel wizard spells and 4th through 7th level cleric spells), in return for only a few extra caster levels with necromantic spells.  *shrug*  Pale Master does involve a loss of caster levels and spell levels too, yes - but if you went Wizard(13)/Pale Master(7), you would cast as a Wizard(17) as far as spells-per-day, and would only give up the final, end-stage Pale Master class abilities.  Then simply never give up more than 3 caster levels.  That, sadly, means forgoing beign a Lich (LA +4), unless your GM is willing to let things stretch into Epic levels - you'd get 9th level spells at ECL21.  Which is truly a shame, because Lich is *such* a thematic template to add, as a necromancer!</blockquote>