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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Thunderfoot" data-source="post: 5835701" data-attributes="member: 34175">LOLZ - that is one of the best things I've heard all year.  Thanks, I needed that.  Another reason I don't like 4e, but I'll let that drop.  Hit and fade is usually done from a position of relative safety when you are talking about ground troops (mounted are a whole different beast)  10 or 15 arrow shots is nothing to sneeze at if the archers pop up fire (and then take the one round of obligatory return fire assuming there is no surprise.   Move to the next position, do this 10 or so times and the damage starts to add up.This  - this is what I like about you.  Your math is actually spot on. (assuming variables not constants)  You are however, also assuming a 10' tall corridor, could the party attack with such accuracy in a 5' tall corridor? Gnomes and halfings yes, dwarves, maybe, elves and humans, no.  And the point is why would a kobold build a 10' tall corridor?I'll concede that arrow loops on their own are a poor target acquisition device, but put a set of murder holes running the length of a hallway with a catwalk down the center in addition to the loops and you have an issue, you can hit one or the other, not both with conventional weapons and even Magic Missile has to have a direct line to the target, something you may be able to establish on the loops, but not the holes (assuming they are designed correctly.)  Going back to corridor size, why would the kobolds need a 10' wide corridor?  So, the party is impeded with movement and combat ability and now they are being attacked by an opponent that has a height, speed and combat advantage.  I don't play 1st person shooters, even the best designed ones poorly represent cover/concealment and camouflage. I'll concede part of this argument.  I'm assuming that the party is in lair with this statement (not outdoors). If they were still outdoors, then yes, the party can find and secure a base of operations if they are allowed (via skills/dice, etc) to do so.  In lair, the kobolds should have access to every part of the lair.  This is based on my assumption of kobold lairs. They are not straight line affairs (not conducive to trapping), they are not built for medium-sized humanoids, and the kobolds know the layout because they live there. You know the layout of your house and probably the area around it, just because it's yours, there is no special skill needed for this, just half a brain.  If nothing else you plan escape routes based on emergencies (fire, flood, etc.) So, why wouldn't a halfway intelligent creature like a kobold do the same?  If you know the party has entered through the "front door" and cleared the area of three rooms, why don't you send your raiders out the back and flank them?  They know the layout of the rooms (and all those hidden attack points.)  The party is going to need more than a campfire and a sentry to keep from being hounded all night.  No fiat, just sound tactical thinking.  The kobolds would still have to successfully ambush, but even an unsuccessful attack should be disruptive.  A few hand grenades (pots of Greek fire) thrown into the camp can really ruin a good nights sleep.</blockquote>

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