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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 5837244" data-attributes="member: 4937">I still have no idea what you are planning.  I've got no problem with that.The 3e SRD describes a large kobold lair thusly:400 'ordinary' kobolds20 3rd-level warrior sergeants2 lieutenants 5th level1 leader of 8th level8 dire weaselsThat's more or less a direct translation of the 1e description of a kobold lair, save that the power level of creatures is translated upward.If I was running this for 3e, I'd suggest360 1st level kobold commoners40 1st level kobold warriors20 3rd level kobold warriors1 5th level kobold adept1 5th level kobold sorcerer1 8th level kobold fighter8 dire weaselsI might play with the class composition a little to create more unique individuals, for example turn a few of the commoners and warriors into experts, adepts (apprentices), fighters, rangers, sorcerers and so forth.  But probably less than 15 would get such treatment.If I was running this for 4e, that would translate into something like400 level 1 minions20 level 3 skirmishers2 level 5 elite artillery1 level 8 elite soldier8 dire weasels (level 3 lurkers)Again, I might diversify the above a bit, but really, it's all about the 400 level 1 minions and what they can do with traps and terrain IMO.   If you are tempted to throw a bunch of level appropriate monsters at the PC's, you are I think missing the point.</blockquote>