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<blockquote data-quote="Larry Hunsaker" data-source="post: 4383179" data-attributes="member: 62848">I would just have the PCs all roll a Perception check, take the highest result as being the level of awareness of the party. Then have the ogre (all of the monsters if more than 1) roll a Perception check and count that (or the highest if more than one) as the monster level of awareness. Compare the two and the highest one gets to notice the other first, before they notice them. So if the PCs win this opposed Perception check, they notice the ogre first, before he sees them. Now how far away do they see the ogre, this is not as important, you can make this call, 50 squares, 100, 500, whatever you think works best, the most important fact is that the PCs, in this example, notice the ogre before themselves being noticed by the ogre. Then they get to decide what to do. Sneak up on it and get as close as possible until it sees them, get their surprise round on it, and then start combat from there. Or perhaps sneak to the long range of the archers, open fire, and then start combat from there, etc. This puts the PCs in control either way. If the ogre wins, he then can quickly hide and hope to ambush the PCs when they pass by. In either case, you solved the problem of who has the advantage, and then you change the situation to one of Perception vs. Stealth of the hiding side, which the rules should let you handle from there.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Larry Hunsaker, post: 4383179, member: 62848"] I would just have the PCs all roll a Perception check, take the highest result as being the level of awareness of the party. Then have the ogre (all of the monsters if more than 1) roll a Perception check and count that (or the highest if more than one) as the monster level of awareness. Compare the two and the highest one gets to notice the other first, before they notice them. So if the PCs win this opposed Perception check, they notice the ogre first, before he sees them. Now how far away do they see the ogre, this is not as important, you can make this call, 50 squares, 100, 500, whatever you think works best, the most important fact is that the PCs, in this example, notice the ogre before themselves being noticed by the ogre. Then they get to decide what to do. Sneak up on it and get as close as possible until it sees them, get their surprise round on it, and then start combat from there. Or perhaps sneak to the long range of the archers, open fire, and then start combat from there, etc. This puts the PCs in control either way. If the ogre wins, he then can quickly hide and hope to ambush the PCs when they pass by. In either case, you solved the problem of who has the advantage, and then you change the situation to one of Perception vs. Stealth of the hiding side, which the rules should let you handle from there. [/QUOTE]

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