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<blockquote data-quote="Paul Strack" data-source="post: 4383349" data-attributes="member: 71340">I think you are over thinking things. I use Perception checks in one of three ways:1) Stealth-busting (as per the rules).2) &quot;Are you Surprised?&quot;: Perception checks against a fixed DC to determine who can't act in the Surprise round of an ambush.3) &quot;Who spots the clue&quot;: Perception checks to see who notices a clue first. The highest roll spots the clue. Note that I don't set a DC for this: the best roll always &quot;succeeds&quot;. Failing to give out the clue the players need to advance the story just wastes time. I only set a DC if the clue is supplemental information not necessary to advance the plot.If you have an ogre in a field, the real question is not whether you want the orge to be seen (you must, otherwise why would you bother to stat it out) but how far away are the PCs when they spot him. I make those decisions based on the battle map I want to use and the kind of battle I want the PCs to fight. I don't leave it to chance.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Paul Strack, post: 4383349, member: 71340"] I think you are over thinking things. I use Perception checks in one of three ways: 1) Stealth-busting (as per the rules). 2) "Are you Surprised?": Perception checks against a fixed DC to determine who can't act in the Surprise round of an ambush. 3) "Who spots the clue": Perception checks to see who notices a clue first. The highest roll spots the clue. Note that I don't set a DC for this: the best roll always "succeeds". Failing to give out the clue the players need to advance the story just wastes time. I only set a DC if the clue is supplemental information not necessary to advance the plot. If you have an ogre in a field, the real question is not whether you want the orge to be seen (you must, otherwise why would you bother to stat it out) but how far away are the PCs when they spot him. I make those decisions based on the battle map I want to use and the kind of battle I want the PCs to fight. I don't leave it to chance. [/QUOTE]

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