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<blockquote data-quote="Inconsequenti-AL" data-source="post: 1743572" data-attributes="member: 6584"><p>I only suggested Paladin from my recent experiences - playing at 12th level as a fighter... something fairly new to me. You live and die by your base attack bonus. Cleric does put a hit into that, which is more painful than it initially seems, in my opinion - a weapon focus feat for every point lost, as it were? Not to mention the extra attacks. You'll already be losing some from the Kensai (Cleric BAB progression?), so any more would be bad!</p><p></p><p>Especially given that it will be hard to boost your strength with items (X5 cost?) it will really make a lot of difference?</p><p></p><p></p><p>I'd also say your saves can never be too high. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> The immunity to fear is really nice as well - loads of monsters cause fear and ignoring that is useful! Forgot about the concentration ability - that's really cool. </p><p></p><p></p><p>At this level, even with practiced spellcaster, your overall caster level will be very low - any kind of dispel effect from an apt. CR caster is likely to drop any buffs you have cast? I think you'd need to take the feat 2 or 3 times to stop that - gets very expensive!</p><p></p><p>With 1 level of a spellcasting class, you can use spell completion items - which is quite enough for extra healing between fights. Cleric would definitely give you a better selection than Paladin. Could be really useful if your cleric goes down, but the wizard may be able to weather any emergencies, if they know Limited Wish?</p><p></p><p>I was thinking Aasimar as you get the +1 LA 'for free' - lose 1 feat and gain +2 to wis/chr and a load of useful minor abilities? If you switch then switch the Chr and Wis stats from your build you get 14 Wis and 18 Chr - that starts making the Divine Might look rather more impressive! (and saves if a paladin) With a 13 int you should be fine to meet those skill prequisites - all of which are on the paladin list... although fighter/cleric gives you them all as well.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I went for Cold Iron as that's what a Holy Avenger is made out of - figured next Kensai level makes it a +5 Cold Iron Holy sword (same as the avenger)... then try asking for the SR as the next level ability. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p></p><p>If you want to do more damage, you could consider going for a 2 handed weapon and an animated shield... Although I have a funny inkling your GM might not like that very much - I'm not that keen on it myself and I run stuff mostly 'by the book' game.</p><p></p><p>You could get a buckler instead of a shield. Then take a 2h grip on your sword to do big power attacks.</p><p></p><p>There's a feat called Resounding Blow (in complete warrior, Book of Exalted deeds?) - think it cowers opponents that you hit - could be what you are looking for.</p><p></p><p>Given the powerful magic weapon you've got, Sunder might be the way to go - especially if you have an adamantine sword?</p><p></p><p>Sorry about the rambling. Brain a bit busy today...</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Inconsequenti-AL, post: 1743572, member: 6584"] I only suggested Paladin from my recent experiences - playing at 12th level as a fighter... something fairly new to me. You live and die by your base attack bonus. Cleric does put a hit into that, which is more painful than it initially seems, in my opinion - a weapon focus feat for every point lost, as it were? Not to mention the extra attacks. You'll already be losing some from the Kensai (Cleric BAB progression?), so any more would be bad! Especially given that it will be hard to boost your strength with items (X5 cost?) it will really make a lot of difference? I'd also say your saves can never be too high. :) The immunity to fear is really nice as well - loads of monsters cause fear and ignoring that is useful! Forgot about the concentration ability - that's really cool. At this level, even with practiced spellcaster, your overall caster level will be very low - any kind of dispel effect from an apt. CR caster is likely to drop any buffs you have cast? I think you'd need to take the feat 2 or 3 times to stop that - gets very expensive! With 1 level of a spellcasting class, you can use spell completion items - which is quite enough for extra healing between fights. Cleric would definitely give you a better selection than Paladin. Could be really useful if your cleric goes down, but the wizard may be able to weather any emergencies, if they know Limited Wish? I was thinking Aasimar as you get the +1 LA 'for free' - lose 1 feat and gain +2 to wis/chr and a load of useful minor abilities? If you switch then switch the Chr and Wis stats from your build you get 14 Wis and 18 Chr - that starts making the Divine Might look rather more impressive! (and saves if a paladin) With a 13 int you should be fine to meet those skill prequisites - all of which are on the paladin list... although fighter/cleric gives you them all as well. I went for Cold Iron as that's what a Holy Avenger is made out of - figured next Kensai level makes it a +5 Cold Iron Holy sword (same as the avenger)... then try asking for the SR as the next level ability. :) If you want to do more damage, you could consider going for a 2 handed weapon and an animated shield... Although I have a funny inkling your GM might not like that very much - I'm not that keen on it myself and I run stuff mostly 'by the book' game. You could get a buckler instead of a shield. Then take a 2h grip on your sword to do big power attacks. There's a feat called Resounding Blow (in complete warrior, Book of Exalted deeds?) - think it cowers opponents that you hit - could be what you are looking for. Given the powerful magic weapon you've got, Sunder might be the way to go - especially if you have an adamantine sword? Sorry about the rambling. Brain a bit busy today... [/QUOTE]
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