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Message: <blockquote data-quote="takyris" data-source="post: 996670" data-attributes="member: 5171">I could use some help.  I’m trying to come up with a solid and fair way of doing non-random hit points. Currently, I find myself torn between two different possibilities:Method One:3,4,5,6,7: Take the average and round up.d4 = 3 hit points per leveld6 = 4 hit points per leveld8 = 5 hit points per leveld10 = 6 hit points per leveld12 = 7 hit points per levelAt first level, you get max hit points, just like alwaysThe good: It’s utterly fair.  Just taking the average and rounding up.The bad: I don’t feel like it differentiates enough.  A d12 hit point character can have up to three times as many hit points as a wizard, but it’s just a bit more than double here.Method Two:3,4,6,8,9: Max –2, except for d4, where it’s –1, and d12, where it’s -3d4 = 3 hit points per leveld6 = 4 hit points per leveld8 = 6 hit points per leveld10 = 8 hit points per leveld12 = 9 hit points per levelThe good: I feel (but have no mathematical proof) that this maps a bit better to the hit point results that most home rules generate.  Games that use “roll once, then reroll if you want, but you have to take it” or “Roll and reroll anything under the average” or “Roll and then take that or the average” will be skewed higher, and this reflects that.The bad: This method might skew too much.  I’m not sure.Test cases: (using approximations of 25-point-buy characters)Fighter4: Con14Method One: 10 (first level) + (6x3 for levels 2-4)  + (2x4 for Con) = 36 hit pointsMethod Two: 10 + 8x3 + 2x4 = 42 hit pointsCleric4: Con14Method One: 8 + 5x3 + 2x4 = 31 hit pointsMethod Two: 8 + 6x3 + 2x4 = 34 hit pointsRogue4: Con13Both methods: 6 + 4x3 + 1x4 = 22 hit pointsSorcerer4: Con13Both method: 4 + 3x3 + 1x4 = 17 hit pointsAt mid-level:Fighter9: Con15 (raised via item or level)Method One: 10 + 6x8  + 2x9  = 76 hit pointsMethod Two: 10 + 8x8 + 2x9 = 92 hit pointsCleric9: Con14Method One: 8 + 5x8 + 2x9 = 66 hit pointsMethod Two: 8 + 6x8 + 2x9 = 74 hit pointsRogue9: Con14 (raised via item or level)Both methods: 6 + 4x8 + 2x9 = 56 hit pointsSorcerer9: Con13Both Methods: 4 + 3x8 + 1x9 = 37 hit pointsAt high level:Fighter16: Con20 (raised via items and levels)Method One: 10 + 6x15  + 5x16  = 180 hit pointsMethod Two: 10 + 8x15 + 5x16 = 210 hit pointsCleric16: Con18 (raised via items and levels)Method One: 8 + 5x15 + 4x16 = 147 hit pointsMethod Two: 8 + 6x15 + 4x16 = 162 hit pointsRogue16: Con14Both methods: 6 + 4x15 + 2x16 = 98 hit pointsSorcerer16: Con14 (raised via level)Both Methods: 4 + 3x15 + 2x16 = 81 hit pointsI’m differentiating here on more than just the hit points – I’m trying to be realistic in assuming what people in a normal-magic campaign are likely to get.  At level 16, that fighter’s Con is probably up to 20 from level-boosted-ability stuff and Con-buffing items, while the Cleric has probably gotten up to 18.  These are pure guesses, mind you, and I’m open to criticism.Which system do you think is fairer to all involved parties?  Which one would you like to play, assuming that your DM said, “Hey, we’re doing non-random hit points”?  Thanks.</blockquote>

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