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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Felnar" data-source="post: 2286662" data-attributes="member: 30971">well, i think your view of plate armor is incorrect.  Yes, the joints are more restrictive, yes it weighs more, but no, plate armor is not the "tin-can with legs" shown in so many movies.Agreed there is some restriction, but why are only the dexertous penalized?  The 10 dex fighter doesnt suffer any dex restrictions in full plate.  The 18 dex fighter does.And how do you explain mithril? (mithril counts as one armor category lighter, raises max dex by 2, and lowers ACP by 3)  Why is mithril less restrictive in the joints?  Is it more flexible?  Or is it because mithril is half the weight of steel?  agreed here (well, not in this discussion, but agreed in my other thread "Armor Types") You stated that heavy plate armor limits your mobility severly and that it "limit<s> ability to notice and thus respond to attacks around you".  But you dont think it should hurt your reflex save?</s> <s></s><s></s><s>i said the dex penalty wouldnt apply to skills, for the same reason you give here</s> <s></s> <s></s><s>Part of the problem of "Max Dex" is that the mobility penalties only apply to those with dex bonuses.  The 10 dex fighter's dex bonus to AC is ZERO whether he's in street clothes or 40lbs of steel.</s> <s></s> <s>- Felnar</s></blockquote>