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<blockquote data-quote="Blasphemonkey" data-source="post: 1000897" data-attributes="member: 13023"><p>Actually, since he has a level in Ranger, he gets Two-Weapon Fighting and Ambidexterity as "virtual" feats. Ambidexterity cancels out that penalty you mentioned above. And yes, he is wearing light armor, Elven Chain, which he coerced the group into buying for him (how rogueish of him, so it makes sense in game, as someone said earlier). When you figure this in, it looks like he really does get NINE feats:</p><p></p><p>1st level character.....Dodge</p><p>Ranger 1..................Track, Two-Weapon Fighting, Ambidexterity</p><p>Tiefling.....................Weapon Finesse (in MM entry)</p><p>3rd level character.....Fiendish Bloodline</p><p>Fighter 2..................2 fighter feats - Mobility, Twin Sword Style</p><p>6th level character.....Outsider Wings</p><p></p><p>Needless to say, he is a level too high. All this time I've thought he is Ranger 1/Rogue 3/Fighter 1, but he has two levels in fighter. So I'm knocking him down a level, which doesn't thrill him of course, but he seems to understand. He's rolling 1d10 and subtracting those HP's, BAB and base save are going down, and we're nixing a feat (probably Twin Sword Style). I'm letting him keep the batwings even before his next feat of Outsider Wings when he gets level 6, just to make sense in-game ("wings are gone," "oh, they grew back now..."), and to be nice, again. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> But that will be the next feat chosen anyway.</p><p></p><p>The skills I'll leave for the purposes of making it easier on both of us (and also to be nice), but he is not increasing them when he goes up to next level, of course.</p><p></p><p>So yes, I have spoken to him, and he seems agreeable enough. He is taking the Fiendish Bloodline feat, and taking Mobility in place of Spring Attack (since you really can't have the latter without the former anyway). </p><p></p><p>His AC was a bit high, mainly because he has a buckler on his arm, which he wasn't aware that when he attacked with two swords, the armor bonus was cancelled out (and he should've been attacking with a penalty as well, on the off hand). So he's passing that on to another party member. The elven chain he thought was +1 for some reason, which it never was. So his AC is now 20. Base 10 + 5 Armor Bonus + 4 Dex + 1 Misc (Ring of Protection + 1) = 20 AC. He wrote 23, and I have no idea where that extra point of AC came from.</p><p></p><p>Regarding the Darkness ability, I've ruled that no, he can't see in them. Thanks for the advice on that. A rogue that can cast Darkness and see in it, is even more powerful than an improved invis'ed rogue.</p><p></p><p>I think that's it. He skipped some prereq's and somehow got one level higher than he should've been, and made a mistake on 2 points of AC. That's where the problems came from. Ahhh, I feel much better now. If anyone thinks I still have anything in error, please tell me. Thanks again everyone for all your help. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Blasphemonkey, post: 1000897, member: 13023"] Actually, since he has a level in Ranger, he gets Two-Weapon Fighting and Ambidexterity as "virtual" feats. Ambidexterity cancels out that penalty you mentioned above. And yes, he is wearing light armor, Elven Chain, which he coerced the group into buying for him (how rogueish of him, so it makes sense in game, as someone said earlier). When you figure this in, it looks like he really does get NINE feats: 1st level character.....Dodge Ranger 1..................Track, Two-Weapon Fighting, Ambidexterity Tiefling.....................Weapon Finesse (in MM entry) 3rd level character.....Fiendish Bloodline Fighter 2..................2 fighter feats - Mobility, Twin Sword Style 6th level character.....Outsider Wings Needless to say, he is a level too high. All this time I've thought he is Ranger 1/Rogue 3/Fighter 1, but he has two levels in fighter. So I'm knocking him down a level, which doesn't thrill him of course, but he seems to understand. He's rolling 1d10 and subtracting those HP's, BAB and base save are going down, and we're nixing a feat (probably Twin Sword Style). I'm letting him keep the batwings even before his next feat of Outsider Wings when he gets level 6, just to make sense in-game ("wings are gone," "oh, they grew back now..."), and to be nice, again. :) But that will be the next feat chosen anyway. The skills I'll leave for the purposes of making it easier on both of us (and also to be nice), but he is not increasing them when he goes up to next level, of course. So yes, I have spoken to him, and he seems agreeable enough. He is taking the Fiendish Bloodline feat, and taking Mobility in place of Spring Attack (since you really can't have the latter without the former anyway). His AC was a bit high, mainly because he has a buckler on his arm, which he wasn't aware that when he attacked with two swords, the armor bonus was cancelled out (and he should've been attacking with a penalty as well, on the off hand). So he's passing that on to another party member. The elven chain he thought was +1 for some reason, which it never was. So his AC is now 20. Base 10 + 5 Armor Bonus + 4 Dex + 1 Misc (Ring of Protection + 1) = 20 AC. He wrote 23, and I have no idea where that extra point of AC came from. Regarding the Darkness ability, I've ruled that no, he can't see in them. Thanks for the advice on that. A rogue that can cast Darkness and see in it, is even more powerful than an improved invis'ed rogue. I think that's it. He skipped some prereq's and somehow got one level higher than he should've been, and made a mistake on 2 points of AC. That's where the problems came from. Ahhh, I feel much better now. If anyone thinks I still have anything in error, please tell me. Thanks again everyone for all your help. :) [/QUOTE]
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