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HELP! Rogue/Ranger Tiefling too powerful?!
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<blockquote data-quote="takyris" data-source="post: 995036" data-attributes="member: 5171"><p>Um, if he's only 6th level, how the heck can he be a Shadowdancer at all? You can't qualify for Shadowdancer unless you have 10 ranks in Hide, which means that he'd have to be at least Ranger1/Rogue6 -- and he can't be anything better than Ranger1/Rogue4 and be a Shadowdancer, yah?</p><p></p><p>So, one problem at a time.</p><p></p><p>He's probably using his wings in ways that his maneuverability class didn't intend, like everyone else already said. Make him produce a character sheet. Look at what he's got. Look and make sure that he actually qualifies for all his stuff.</p><p></p><p>Make sure that enemies aren't stupid. If he's flying, he has no way to hide, and unless he burned a lot of feats, he can't hover, so the best he can do is fly around invisibly and then get ONE sneak attack, since he has to keep moving.</p><p></p><p>Correct me if I'm wrong, and it's very very possible that I am, but I may have a really easy way to limit his effectiveness.</p><p></p><p>Tiefling. Outsider, yes? Now, it may have been hashed out in the rules, and somebody could tell me I'm full of it, so correct me if I'm wrong, but I was under the impression that as an outsider, a Tiefling character was:</p><p></p><p>ECL+1</p><p>Dex +2, Int+2, Cha-2</p><p>Fire, Cold, Electricity Resistance 5</p><p>+2 Bonus to Hide, Bluff</p><p>Darkness 1/day</p><p>Unaffected by "Person" spells (Charm person, hold person)</p><p><strong>Susceptible to being completely and totally nerfed in all his powergaming goodness by single "Protection from Evil", which stops him from making melee attacks against anyone so protected unless they attack him first.</strong></p><p></p><p>Just like a 20th-level monk can be stopped by Protection from Evil (although he gets to use his SR to try and overcome it), our Tiefling flyboy can't make attacks on any wizard, sorcerer, paladin, or bard smart enough to cast that first-level humdinger on him- or herself.</p><p></p><p>Again, correct me if I'm wrong, but I'd say that once the bad guy clerics see the Tiefling dude coming at them with his wings and stuff, their first move is going to be to cast Protection from (insert alignment here). After that, they'll start casting spells with Will saves. His Will saves most likely stink. They will keep doing this while their buddies make mincemeat out of him.</p><p></p><p>Note: Again, I could be wrong. Check with the rules lawyers to be sure.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="takyris, post: 995036, member: 5171"] Um, if he's only 6th level, how the heck can he be a Shadowdancer at all? You can't qualify for Shadowdancer unless you have 10 ranks in Hide, which means that he'd have to be at least Ranger1/Rogue6 -- and he can't be anything better than Ranger1/Rogue4 and be a Shadowdancer, yah? So, one problem at a time. He's probably using his wings in ways that his maneuverability class didn't intend, like everyone else already said. Make him produce a character sheet. Look at what he's got. Look and make sure that he actually qualifies for all his stuff. Make sure that enemies aren't stupid. If he's flying, he has no way to hide, and unless he burned a lot of feats, he can't hover, so the best he can do is fly around invisibly and then get ONE sneak attack, since he has to keep moving. Correct me if I'm wrong, and it's very very possible that I am, but I may have a really easy way to limit his effectiveness. Tiefling. Outsider, yes? Now, it may have been hashed out in the rules, and somebody could tell me I'm full of it, so correct me if I'm wrong, but I was under the impression that as an outsider, a Tiefling character was: ECL+1 Dex +2, Int+2, Cha-2 Fire, Cold, Electricity Resistance 5 +2 Bonus to Hide, Bluff Darkness 1/day Unaffected by "Person" spells (Charm person, hold person) [b]Susceptible to being completely and totally nerfed in all his powergaming goodness by single "Protection from Evil", which stops him from making melee attacks against anyone so protected unless they attack him first.[/b] Just like a 20th-level monk can be stopped by Protection from Evil (although he gets to use his SR to try and overcome it), our Tiefling flyboy can't make attacks on any wizard, sorcerer, paladin, or bard smart enough to cast that first-level humdinger on him- or herself. Again, correct me if I'm wrong, but I'd say that once the bad guy clerics see the Tiefling dude coming at them with his wings and stuff, their first move is going to be to cast Protection from (insert alignment here). After that, they'll start casting spells with Will saves. His Will saves most likely stink. They will keep doing this while their buddies make mincemeat out of him. Note: Again, I could be wrong. Check with the rules lawyers to be sure. [/QUOTE]
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