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Message: <blockquote data-quote="takyris" data-source="post: 995228" data-attributes="member: 5171">Hm.  Interesting.  As I said, I wasn't sure -- but I did look at the monk description, where it says, "At 20th level, the monk is considered an outsider.  Blah blah blah no charm person, blah blah blah DR20/+1.  Note that as an outsider, he is susceptible to blocking effects like Protection from Law."Please note that I have the old pre-errata'd PHB, so if this has been sussed out already, s'all good.  But my assumption has been that if the monk became vulnerable to PfromE just because he hit level 20 and became "considered an outsider", the Tiefling would get it for his bloodline.  And as a balance factor (no Charm Person, Hold Person, etc.), it made sense to me.  As I said, however -- the Sage & Co. could have said differently.  Anyone got a link for me?As a side note, I believe that it's not just natural attacks but all melee attacks.  Spellcasting is fine, ranged weapons are fine, but attacking with a greatsword is not.  Again, I could be wrong, but I'm more sure about that than I am about the "All non-Good outsiders are susceptible to PfromE because of the line in the Monk description."Not sure if I was unclear there, but yeah -- was not trying to allude to the wings, but to the fact that our winged wonder, as a Rogue4/Ranger1, has a Will save of +1 base, possibly with a bit from Wisdom.  Not huge, and very easy to freeze with any spell that has a "monster" descriptor instead of a "person" descriptor.Well, not really.  It's not metagamey for a person who grew up in a D&D world to see a dude with a greatsword and heavy armor and think, "Bet I could charm him more easily than I could petrify him."  Or, by the same token, to see a lightly armored dude fighting with light weaponry and quick, cunning strikes and think, "I bet he'd probably just scuttle out of the way of any fireballs I tossed in his direction."  People who grow up in a D&D world know how their D&D world works.  Metagamey would be, "Well, if he's a CR equal to our level, that means that he has evasion, but not uncanny dodge against flanking, and our DM wouldn't send a rogue who was more powerful than us against us without letting us learn more about him first so we could be ready.  Let's just attack.  We're probably fine."But yeah, basically, what you said. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />EDIT: Just hunted through the FAQ and found a strongly worded line that put me squarely in the wrong.  Seems stupid to me given the monk line, but it appears that the MONK line is the wrong one, or at least, should be rephrased to indicate that outsiderness is not an automatic "Vulnerable to Protection from" card.</blockquote>

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