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Message: <blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 3061968" data-attributes="member: 2011">At that level, Dragons tend to have protections versus Mind Effecting effects. A simple first level Protection From Good (let alone Globe spells or even Mind Blank for slightly more powerful dragons) would stop this cold. Even if they do not have spells up which directly stop it, dragons at that level have innate ~+20 to Will saves and with a few items / spells, can easily get up to +25 to +30, +30 to +35 if in combat (due to the +5 of Charm).And, that DC would be difficult for most Psions to achieve. 19 PP results in DC 20 + Int. You could get 2 more DC with Overchannel and about 9 from Int 22+ / +6 Headband (assuming a 17 or 18 Int start without insight bonuses which happens more often in builds than actual games), but those last 3 require special race/PrC/feat options which most Psions do not take.Even with DC 34 (which would be rare), most equal challenge Dragons would save against this a good 80+% of the time and that is not even counting the slim chance of Spell Resistance stopping it (SR tends to not help as much at the real high levels).All in all, Mind Effecting spells and powers in the game only work against mooks for the most part. It almost never works against BBEGs or Dragons or even decent NPC henchmen. I would not recommend them except as a side door way to influence mooks (e.g. "Take me to your leader, friend").</blockquote>