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<blockquote data-quote="Tinner" data-source="post: 2487959" data-attributes="member: 19667">Another thing that's going to help you challenge these guys is to become very familiar with the mechanics they are using.Yes, but a Shadowdancer can hide in plain sight, but only if there is a patch of shadow nearby for him to hide in. Also note that hiding does not mean that he can't be targeted. If he can be detected via tremorsense, or scent, he can still be attacked, albeit with a miss chance due to total concealment.I was plagued with a high level Rogue/Shadowdancer in my game, and he really gave me trouble until I carefully studied exactly what his powers were, and used foes designed to counter him. He was so cocky about his ability to hide in plain sight that he agreed to fight a one-on-one duel against a much stronger opponent.He wasn't laughing when that opponent used a Wish to wish away all shadows in the arena for the duration of the fight.For the high damage frenzied berserker/barbarian, try having him go up against a Nilbog (Tome of Horrors) with the same character levels as him, and the Entropic template added in for good measure. It gets healed when they attack it, it has a negative energy aura that weakens the oposition just being near him. He'll be all kinds of bad.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Tinner, post: 2487959, member: 19667"] Another thing that's going to help you challenge these guys is to become very familiar with the mechanics they are using. Yes, but a Shadowdancer can hide in plain sight, but only if there is a patch of shadow nearby for him to hide in. Also note that hiding does not mean that he can't be targeted. If he can be detected via tremorsense, or scent, he can still be attacked, albeit with a miss chance due to total concealment. I was plagued with a high level Rogue/Shadowdancer in my game, and he really gave me trouble until I carefully studied exactly what his powers were, and used foes designed to counter him. He was so cocky about his ability to hide in plain sight that he agreed to fight a one-on-one duel against a much stronger opponent. He wasn't laughing when that opponent used a Wish to wish away all shadows in the arena for the duration of the fight. For the high damage frenzied berserker/barbarian, try having him go up against a Nilbog (Tome of Horrors) with the same character levels as him, and the Entropic template added in for good measure. It gets healed when they attack it, it has a negative energy aura that weakens the oposition just being near him. He'll be all kinds of bad. [/QUOTE]

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