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<blockquote data-quote="Herremann the Wise" data-source="post: 5608403" data-attributes="member: 11300"><p>Hello Water Bob,</p><p></p><p>I'll go through the SRD text with you:</p><p></p><p></p><p>OK, readying an action <strong><em>IS </em></strong>a standard action. It costs a standard action; but what does that payment get you?</p><p>So for the cost of a standard action, you can ready a standard, move or free action.</p><p>So the rule is allowing you to now take your readied action. The real question your asking here is does it also cost you that action or is the rule allowing you to do it with no further cost?</p><p></p><p>Interesting stuff but that key question is still unanswered.</p><p>So as long as you have not already moved any distance, you can incorporate a 5ft step into your readied action. Interesting but still does not directly answer the core question.</p><p>That makes sense but still unanswered.</p><p></p><p>Again all interesting but the question is still unanswered. At this point, it is still really open to interpretation. The way how our group plays it is that:</p><p>- You are taking a penalty by readying an action in that you are not guaranteed (it may not be triggered) to take the action and that you are typically letting one or more combatants in front of your own in terms of initiative and total amount of actions performed during the combat.</p><p>- To balance this the ready action lets you do the readied action, no questions asked. You do not have to pay for the action that has been readied.</p><p></p><p><strong><em>In terms of logic</em></strong>: You are supposed to be able to ready a standard action. So if I ready an attack (costs a standard action) and then my readied action gets triggered, I do not have a standard action to perform the attack and so effectively, I cannot ready a standard action and perform that standard action if I have to pay for it. What is the point then in saying I can ready a standard action? This then would seem to indicate that while the rules lack clarity, they are indirectly saying that the ready action paid for the triggered action; be the triggered action a free, move or standard action.</p><p></p><p>And just from a complete angle, lets then look at the 4e rules compendium. While the editions are different, they are also very similar with core parts of the action engine that they share; it is indicative of what was perhaps intended for 3e.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I have highlighted the core part here which says that the action readied (be it a standard, move or "minor" [minor being akin to 3e swift action]) can be performed immediately upon triggering as an immediate action (although interestingly, the triggerer gets to complete their action which the 3e one interrupts.</p><p></p><p>And so, I think this is all indicative that you can move and successfully ready an action against a charge all in the one turn without issue (as I indicated on your thread in the general section). The ready action effectively pays for the action readied rather than the combatant having to cough it up.</p><p></p><p>And if you think about it, it is far more flexible and fun if you play it that way. And yes our group fumbled with the ready action because of the same clear-as-mud wording until I pointed out the logical side of it. Then they agreed with me. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f60e.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":cool:" title="Cool :cool:" data-smilie="6"data-shortname=":cool:" /></p><p></p><p>Best Regards</p><p>Herremann the Wise</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Herremann the Wise, post: 5608403, member: 11300"] Hello Water Bob, I'll go through the SRD text with you: OK, readying an action [B][I]IS [/I][/B]a standard action. It costs a standard action; but what does that payment get you? So for the cost of a standard action, you can ready a standard, move or free action. So the rule is allowing you to now take your readied action. The real question your asking here is does it also cost you that action or is the rule allowing you to do it with no further cost? Interesting stuff but that key question is still unanswered. So as long as you have not already moved any distance, you can incorporate a 5ft step into your readied action. Interesting but still does not directly answer the core question. That makes sense but still unanswered. Again all interesting but the question is still unanswered. At this point, it is still really open to interpretation. The way how our group plays it is that: - You are taking a penalty by readying an action in that you are not guaranteed (it may not be triggered) to take the action and that you are typically letting one or more combatants in front of your own in terms of initiative and total amount of actions performed during the combat. - To balance this the ready action lets you do the readied action, no questions asked. You do not have to pay for the action that has been readied. [B][I]In terms of logic[/I][/B]: You are supposed to be able to ready a standard action. So if I ready an attack (costs a standard action) and then my readied action gets triggered, I do not have a standard action to perform the attack and so effectively, I cannot ready a standard action and perform that standard action if I have to pay for it. What is the point then in saying I can ready a standard action? This then would seem to indicate that while the rules lack clarity, they are indirectly saying that the ready action paid for the triggered action; be the triggered action a free, move or standard action. And just from a complete angle, lets then look at the 4e rules compendium. While the editions are different, they are also very similar with core parts of the action engine that they share; it is indicative of what was perhaps intended for 3e. I have highlighted the core part here which says that the action readied (be it a standard, move or "minor" [minor being akin to 3e swift action]) can be performed immediately upon triggering as an immediate action (although interestingly, the triggerer gets to complete their action which the 3e one interrupts. And so, I think this is all indicative that you can move and successfully ready an action against a charge all in the one turn without issue (as I indicated on your thread in the general section). The ready action effectively pays for the action readied rather than the combatant having to cough it up. And if you think about it, it is far more flexible and fun if you play it that way. And yes our group fumbled with the ready action because of the same clear-as-mud wording until I pointed out the logical side of it. Then they agreed with me. :cool: Best Regards Herremann the Wise [/QUOTE]
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