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<blockquote data-quote="Water Bob" data-source="post: 5608477" data-attributes="member: 92305">Since the paragraph is about 5' steps, I think it fairly strong evidence that the sentence is indicating 5' steps.&nbsp;That paragraph is basically telling us that a character's round that is split because of a ready action still has to abide by all the rules--it consists of two actions (a standard action and a readied action) and only one 5' step is allowed.&nbsp;I think the paragraph is there because a player might think he can take two 5' steps because we come to the character to act twice--first on his nish and second when his readied action is triggered.&nbsp;The paragraph and example is there to remind players that, even though the character's round is split in two pieces, it is still only one character's round.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Agreed.&nbsp; And, that supports what I just said.&nbsp; If you took a 5' step while you were readying the action, you cannot take another once the ready action is triggered.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;That goes back to the main question.&nbsp; Here, you are doing three actions, which is illegal. &nbsp;You move 30'?&nbsp; That's your first action.&nbsp; A Move action.&nbsp;You ready a Move Action?&nbsp; That's your second action.&nbsp; A standard action.&nbsp;You move another 30's once triggered?&nbsp; That's your third action.&nbsp; A Readied Move action.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Doesn't it make sense that it will cost you some time--say 3 seconds (or a Standard Action)--to put your spear in place and get it ready to receive a charge?&nbsp;If pulling an arrow from your quiver, nocking it, pulling back on the bow, aiming, and letting the arrow fly is a standard action, done in about 3 seconds, doesn't it stand to reason that it would take about the same amount of time to set your spear for a charge?&nbsp;When you prepare your bow for a shot, you're bascially &quot;readying&quot; the bow, yes?&nbsp; Letting loose the arrow takes no time.&nbsp; It's the getting the arrow ready to shoot that takes the time, yes?&nbsp;So, readying a spear for a charge should take about the same amount of time, right?&nbsp;And, that time is different time from actually using the spear to hit your charging enemy.&nbsp; Right?&nbsp; I mean, attacks are standard actions and take about 3 seconds, right?&nbsp; &nbsp;Thus readying the spear for a charge and using the spear to attack a charging enemy are two separate actions that, together, take about six seconds, yes?&nbsp;This is why I think that &quot;readying&quot; anything takes about 3 seconds, and that is separate time from actually using whatever it is that you've readied.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;That's right.&nbsp; Readying the action costs time.&nbsp; It's a standard action.&nbsp; And, that, as I've proven above, is separate time from actually performing the action.&nbsp;I would argue that you could:&nbsp; Move 30', then ready a free action.&nbsp; Let's say you want to move to the head of the column and then yell, &quot;CHARGE!&quot; as soon as you see the whites of the enemy's eyes.&nbsp;1.&nbsp; You move 30' to the head of the column.&nbsp; This is a Move Action.&nbsp;2.&nbsp; You ready the command to charge.&nbsp; This is a Standard Action.&nbsp;3.&nbsp; When triggered (when you see the whites of their eyes), you yell, &quot;CHARGE!&quot;.&nbsp; This is a Free Action and thus does not count towards your total actions for the round.&nbsp;You've done two actions.&nbsp; It's legal.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;In terms of logic: You are supposed to be able to ready a standard action. So if I ready an attack (costs a standard action) and then my readied action gets triggered, I do not have a standard action to perform the attack and so effectively, I cannot ready a standard action and perform that standard action if I have to pay for it.</blockquote>Disagree. A Standard Action can be turned into a Move action, as when you do a double move.&nbsp; What we call Full Round actions are sometimes two Standard Actions, back to back, as when&nbsp; you fight with two weapons--that's two Standard Actions in a round.&nbsp;I think the Ready Action is akin to the Full Round action in that it lets you conditionally perform two standard actions in a round.&nbsp; You can't attack twice, but you can Ready (a standard actions) and then perform a standard action (as with an attack).&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Actually, I would like for this to be true.&nbsp; I like what you and the others say about the rule more than what I think the rule actually says.&nbsp;I want to be wrong about this.<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f615.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":confused:" title="Confused&nbsp; &nbsp; :confused:"&nbsp; data-smilie="5"data-shortname=":confused:" />&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I don't think we can look too closely about this because....&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;....of stuff like this.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I will tell you this, though.&nbsp; The Temple of Elemental Evil PC computer game follows the 3.5 rules quite closely (the game is noted for that), and the game does allow you to move and ready an action.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;As I said above, I want to be wrong.&nbsp; It's just that everything I say is supported in the text.&nbsp;I would sure love to see an official example of the Ready Action in use (not the sentence in the 5' step paragraph.)&nbsp; I've been to the 3.5 archive on the WotC site, though, and there's nada--that I could find.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE="Water Bob, post: 5608477, member: 92305"] Since the paragraph is about 5' steps, I think it fairly strong evidence that the sentence is indicating 5' steps. That paragraph is basically telling us that a character's round that is split because of a ready action still has to abide by all the rules--it consists of two actions (a standard action and a readied action) and only one 5' step is allowed. I think the paragraph is there because a player might think he can take two 5' steps because we come to the character to act twice--first on his nish and second when his readied action is triggered. The paragraph and example is there to remind players that, even though the character's round is split in two pieces, it is still only one character's round. Agreed. And, that supports what I just said. If you took a 5' step while you were readying the action, you cannot take another once the ready action is triggered. That goes back to the main question. Here, you are doing three actions, which is illegal. You move 30'? That's your first action. A Move action. You ready a Move Action? That's your second action. A standard action. You move another 30's once triggered? That's your third action. A Readied Move action. [COLOR=green]Doesn't it make sense that it will cost you some time--say 3 seconds (or a Standard Action)--to put your spear in place and get it ready to receive a charge?[/COLOR] [COLOR=green][/COLOR] [COLOR=green]If pulling an arrow from your quiver, nocking it, pulling back on the bow, aiming, and letting the arrow fly is a standard action, done in about 3 seconds, doesn't it stand to reason that it would take about the same amount of time to set your spear for a charge?[/COLOR] [COLOR=green][/COLOR] [COLOR=green]When you prepare your bow for a shot, you're bascially "readying" the bow, yes? Letting loose the arrow takes no time. It's the getting the arrow ready to shoot that takes the time, yes?[/COLOR] [COLOR=green][/COLOR] [COLOR=green]So, readying a spear for a charge should take about the same amount of time, right?[/COLOR] [COLOR=green][/COLOR] [COLOR=green]And, that time is different time from actually using the spear to hit your charging enemy. Right? I mean, attacks are standard actions and take about 3 seconds, right? [/COLOR] [COLOR=green][/COLOR] [COLOR=green]Thus readying the spear for a charge and using the spear to attack a charging enemy are two separate actions that, together, take about six seconds, yes?[/COLOR] [COLOR=green][/COLOR] [COLOR=green]This is why I think that "readying" anything takes about 3 seconds, and that is separate time from actually using whatever it is that you've readied.[/COLOR] That's right. Readying the action costs time. It's a standard action. And, that, as I've proven above, is separate time from actually performing the action. I would argue that you could: Move 30', then ready a free action. Let's say you want to move to the head of the column and then yell, "CHARGE!" as soon as you see the whites of the enemy's eyes. 1. You move 30' to the head of the column. This is a Move Action. 2. You ready the command to charge. This is a Standard Action. 3. When triggered (when you see the whites of their eyes), you yell, "CHARGE!". This is a Free Action and thus does not count towards your total actions for the round. You've done two actions. It's legal. [B][I]In terms of logic[/I][/B]: You are supposed to be able to ready a standard action. So if I ready an attack (costs a standard action) and then my readied action gets triggered, I do not have a standard action to perform the attack and so effectively, I cannot ready a standard action and perform that standard action if I have to pay for it.[/quote] Disagree. A Standard Action can be turned into a Move action, as when you do a double move. What we call Full Round actions are sometimes two Standard Actions, back to back, as when you fight with two weapons--that's two Standard Actions in a round. I think the Ready Action is akin to the Full Round action in that it lets you conditionally perform two standard actions in a round. You can't attack twice, but you can Ready (a standard actions) and then perform a standard action (as with an attack). Actually, I would like for this to be true. I like what you and the others say about the rule more than what I think the rule actually says. I want to be wrong about this.:confused: I don't think we can look too closely about this because.... ....of stuff like this. I will tell you this, though. [COLOR=green]The Temple of Elemental Evil PC computer game[/COLOR] follows the 3.5 rules quite closely (the game is noted for that), and [COLOR=green]the game does allow you to move and ready an action.[/COLOR] As I said above, I [I]want[/I] to be wrong. It's just that everything I say is supported in the text. I would sure love to see an official example of the Ready Action in use (not the sentence in the 5' step paragraph.) I've been to the 3.5 archive on the WotC site, though, and there's nada--that I could find. [/QUOTE]

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