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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Herremann the Wise" data-source="post: 5608730" data-attributes="member: 11300">I sense something in your thinking here that is incorrect. You have defined actions as a division of time rather than correctly as a division of effort. A standard action can take six seconds of effort and so can the move action at the same time; simultaneously while also yelling out and getting attacks of opportunity.No. When you expend a standard actions worth of effort, you get to grab and nock your bow and shoot it at a target with your best effort. If you expend a full actions effort, then you might get up to 5 arrows off or more at progressively worse modifiers. It means devoting your entire attention to firing your bow.No. It is all in a standard actions worth of effort.It should take a similar amount of effort not time.No. I'm starting to see that 2nd edition view of a round and weapon speed coming through here. The primary shift from 2e to 3e is that time becomes more abstract and is replaced with effort. The more skilled a combatant, the less effort it takes them to do certain things and thus the more things they can do within a rounds "approximate" six seconds.By my interpretation you could also have moved into position. The way to think about this is that as you are moving your 30ft. into position, your character is not whistling oblivious to what's around them. They are timing their actions with the enemy, getting their position ready and then bracing as they are charged. The standard action of preparing the spear and attacking with it overlaps with moving into position. You get to where you're going, and then say "so... umm... where's the foot of this spear going again? It is all being co-ordinated together. Again it is the effort that is the currency of action, not time.No. It is not. But then why does it say that you could also prepare a move or standard action if under this most common of circumstances this would be impossible if you follow your interpretation? No it is not. You cannot do two standard actions in the same round. You cannot cast two spells. You cannot attack twice at your best modifier. You cannot ready an attack and perform that attack if you interpret the ready action as you are. Can you see that under your interpretation, the ready action is useless and the example they give is wrong? Is that enough to convince you yet? <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />Incorrect. It is not a full round action. A full round action does not get you to attack twice at your best modifier. It degrades by -5 for each subsequent attack. That is why it takes a full rounds worth of effort.  The 4e rules clearly show the intent with clarity of what a readied action can do. It is still valid to show the broad expectation and interpretation.  No it is not. If it followed your interpretation, you could not ready an attack and do the attack. Clearly this must show you that you are interpreting the rules incorrectly (and as you say, you want to be incorrect).<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" />I had a look at the sage advice columns and likewise came up with nothing.In short, you ready an action to be used at a latter point that is triggered by a nominated trigger. Since you can ready up to a standard actions worth of effort (be it to use that standard action as a free, move or standard action), then a standard action is what a readied action costs. It is the amount of effort that is invested; it is not the amount of time spent preparing.Hope this helps.Best RegardsHerremann the Wise</blockquote>

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