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<blockquote data-quote="Chasmodai" data-source="post: 1309499" data-attributes="member: 12445"><p>Here's a wacky idea:</p><p></p><p>Get some levels in rogue (4, maybe?) and some ranks in Perform and Tumble. Then take 3 levels in Shadowdancer, for Hide In Plain Sight. Maximize your Hide, Move Silently, Listen and Spot for optimum effectiveness. </p><p></p><p>For items, get a Ring of Chameleon Power, for the insane Hide bonus (+10, IIRC) and a Cloak of the Bat, for the ability to fly (this can be swapped out for Winged Boots. You don't need to fly for an extended period of time). Eyes of the Eagle would be nice, or a Gem of True Seeing, so you can Spot that pesky invisible Giant. </p><p></p><p>You end up looking something like this:</p><p></p><p><strong>Ranger 5/Rogue 4/Shadowdancer 3</strong></p><p></p><p>Wild Empathy</p><p>Track</p><p>Favored Enemy (Giant) +4</p><p>Favored Enemy (Monstrous Humanoid) +2</p><p>Two Weapon Fighting</p><p>Endurance</p><p>Animal Companion</p><p>Sneak Attack +2d6</p><p>Evasion</p><p>Uncanny Dodge</p><p>Improved Uncanny Dodge</p><p>Hide In Plain Sight</p><p>Darkvision</p><p>Shadow Illusion</p><p><em>Summon Shadow</em></p><p></p><p><strong>Skills:</strong></p><p>Hide +28 (assuming Dex of +3 and Ring)</p><p>Move Silently +23 (Boots of Elvenkind)</p><p>Spot +21 (assuming Wis of +1 and Eyes of the Eagle)</p><p>Listen +16</p><p>etc, etc.</p><p></p><p><strong>Feats:</strong></p><p>Extra Favored Enemy (Optional)</p><p>Favored Power Attack (from Complete Warrior. Power Attack becomes 2 for 1 against favored enemies)</p><p>Power Attack</p><p>Combat Reflexes</p><p>Mobility</p><p>Dodge</p><p>Giantbane (from Complete Warrior. The name says it all. Optional feat.)</p><p>Swarmfighting (also from Complete Warrior. In case you have more than one small creature in your party)</p><p></p><p><strong>Tactics:</strong></p><p>Sneak up on them without them noticing - HiPS allows this, plus a ridiculous Hide modifier. Sneak Attack the Ogre Mage, Power Attacking with impunity. At this point, it's completely up to you to either use two weapons for more Sneak Attack and Favored Enemy damage, or to use your dwarven waraxe (you'd better be using a dwarven waraxe) in two hands (this makes your Favored Power Attack + 3 for every 1 point sacrificed. Disgusting). </p><p></p><p>When Inits is finally rolled, use your Shadow Companion to drain Strength from the giants, and your animal companion to flank them. Spend some of your cash on your animal companion to make sure it doesn't die too easily. Use your Giantbane feat (if you took it) to <em>Climb Aboard</em> them giants and Sneak Attack nonstop (your animal companion is flanking, remember?). Climbing aboard also prevents them from getting at you that easily.</p><p></p><p>An alternative is to keep Hiding and reappearing, Sneak Attacking and fading away. This isn't recommended, as you can only pull off one attack per round and the Ogre Mage can use his <em>invisibility/gaseous form</em> (therefore, removing all chances for Sneak Attack), and it increases the chance of you rolling a 1 on your Hide check.</p><p></p><p>If all goes well, and you aren't too heavily outnumbered, it should be a interesting, challenging fight. If things get rough, pick up your animal companion and fly away (You did buy them Winged Boots, dint'ya?). Your shadow, being </p><p>incorporeal, can take care of itself. </p><p></p><p>Oh, and the Ogre Mage should be dead long before you find the need to fly away. Have fun wreaking havoc.</p><p></p><p>Edit: forgot to factor in Shadowdancer prereqs.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Chasmodai, post: 1309499, member: 12445"] Here's a wacky idea: Get some levels in rogue (4, maybe?) and some ranks in Perform and Tumble. Then take 3 levels in Shadowdancer, for Hide In Plain Sight. Maximize your Hide, Move Silently, Listen and Spot for optimum effectiveness. For items, get a Ring of Chameleon Power, for the insane Hide bonus (+10, IIRC) and a Cloak of the Bat, for the ability to fly (this can be swapped out for Winged Boots. You don't need to fly for an extended period of time). Eyes of the Eagle would be nice, or a Gem of True Seeing, so you can Spot that pesky invisible Giant. You end up looking something like this: [b]Ranger 5/Rogue 4/Shadowdancer 3[/b] Wild Empathy Track Favored Enemy (Giant) +4 Favored Enemy (Monstrous Humanoid) +2 Two Weapon Fighting Endurance Animal Companion Sneak Attack +2d6 Evasion Uncanny Dodge Improved Uncanny Dodge Hide In Plain Sight Darkvision Shadow Illusion [i]Summon Shadow[/i] [b]Skills:[/b] Hide +28 (assuming Dex of +3 and Ring) Move Silently +23 (Boots of Elvenkind) Spot +21 (assuming Wis of +1 and Eyes of the Eagle) Listen +16 etc, etc. [b]Feats:[/b] Extra Favored Enemy (Optional) Favored Power Attack (from Complete Warrior. Power Attack becomes 2 for 1 against favored enemies) Power Attack Combat Reflexes Mobility Dodge Giantbane (from Complete Warrior. The name says it all. Optional feat.) Swarmfighting (also from Complete Warrior. In case you have more than one small creature in your party) [b]Tactics:[/b] Sneak up on them without them noticing - HiPS allows this, plus a ridiculous Hide modifier. Sneak Attack the Ogre Mage, Power Attacking with impunity. At this point, it's completely up to you to either use two weapons for more Sneak Attack and Favored Enemy damage, or to use your dwarven waraxe (you'd better be using a dwarven waraxe) in two hands (this makes your Favored Power Attack + 3 for every 1 point sacrificed. Disgusting). When Inits is finally rolled, use your Shadow Companion to drain Strength from the giants, and your animal companion to flank them. Spend some of your cash on your animal companion to make sure it doesn't die too easily. Use your Giantbane feat (if you took it) to [i]Climb Aboard[/i] them giants and Sneak Attack nonstop (your animal companion is flanking, remember?). Climbing aboard also prevents them from getting at you that easily. An alternative is to keep Hiding and reappearing, Sneak Attacking and fading away. This isn't recommended, as you can only pull off one attack per round and the Ogre Mage can use his [i]invisibility/gaseous form[/i] (therefore, removing all chances for Sneak Attack), and it increases the chance of you rolling a 1 on your Hide check. If all goes well, and you aren't too heavily outnumbered, it should be a interesting, challenging fight. If things get rough, pick up your animal companion and fly away (You did buy them Winged Boots, dint'ya?). Your shadow, being incorporeal, can take care of itself. Oh, and the Ogre Mage should be dead long before you find the need to fly away. Have fun wreaking havoc. Edit: forgot to factor in Shadowdancer prereqs. [/QUOTE]
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