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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Scion" data-source="post: 2354162" data-attributes="member: 5777">Good of you to point them out to other people, they need to read it over. Going along with the raw works well, vop is a complicated issue.Oh, and bront, two seperate things. The other thread (of which I guess you have only seen two threads I have been in, but some go better than others, as with anyones) had people who refused for many posts to give anything more reasonable than screaming 'broken' without saying why (eventually this cleared up, but by then I was sick of it and went elsewhere for help) and this one where people are literally going against the raw.It happens. But, I am trying to show where they are going against what the raw says, as is the wont of the forum.If people feel that I am wrong in the rules here they are free to post rules quotes that say what they mean.I realize this is difficult and that people have differing viewpoints, but making up strawmen to knock down or completely making up new rules to support your position is just bad.Vop makes for a lot of debate on a lot of issues, this one is no different. However, just because someone cannot use money directly does 'not' mean that they cannot get services.</blockquote>