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<blockquote data-quote="Pure_bordem" data-source="post: 6140980" data-attributes="member: 91342"><p>Hiyinz,</p><p></p><p>I currently am playing a campaign as a Snow Elf Swordsage and need help on my build. I am not the rogue nor fighter of the party so I kind of am in the middle doing both roles as a supporter. I am trying to create an adaptable striker oriented build that deals plenty of damage and then gets the hell out of the line of fire if possible. Mostly shadow hand with a little diamond mind, tiger claw, and desert wind thrown in to taste.</p><p></p><p>The big area where I am having trouble are in my feat selection. I choose the Snow Elf for the +2 Dex and -2 Cha but unfortunately do not get any bonus feats <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f641.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":(" title="Frown :(" data-smilie="3"data-shortname=":(" />. I already took Adaptive Style at Lvl 1 and plan on taking Weapon Finesse at lvl 3 but am at a lose for the rest of the build. I would like to be effective at TWF (minimize attack penalty as much as possible) with a pair of shortswords since it would pair well with Assassin's Stance but that would make getting the extra stance lvl 8 (via Martial Stance at lvl 18) impossible. It also would make getting feats such as Darkstalker and Craven essentially impossible. While I could dip into fighter for 2 levels, I would start loosing out on the important lvl 9 maneuvers wouldn't I? What to do!?!?</p><p></p><p>Here are my potential feat ideas...</p><p></p><p>-Adaptive Style*</p><p>-Weapon Finesse*</p><p>-Two Weapon Fighting</p><p>-Weapon Specialization (for MwM below)</p><p>-Melee Weapon Mastery</p><p>-Greater Weapon Focus</p><p>-Shadow Blade</p><p>-Gloom Razer</p><p>-Dark Stalker</p><p>-Craven</p><p></p><p>*Owned or Will Own Next</p><p></p><p>Now I am making a few assumptions and please correct me if I am wrong...</p><p></p><p>-Most maneuvers (strikes) are standard action, therefore I could still use my off-hand attack as well and if coupled with Assassin's Stance + flanking get the 2d6?</p><p>-You cannot trade lower level stances for higher ones, meaning to get more higher level stances you NEED martial stance feat</p><p>-Shadow Blade DOES NOT also count as Weapon Finesse, only allows to progress in respective feat tiers as if you had it</p><p></p><p>If I cannot use my off hand after a maneuver then the post essentially becomes a mute point because then TwF doesn't do jack for me ha-ha.</p><p></p><p>*Complete Side Note about Leaping Flame*</p><p></p><p>I noticed it never really gets mentioned, but leaping flame seems like a flanking tactic. It allows me to teleport up to 100ft towards whomever tried to hit me last. I can appear in any adjacent square around them which includes behind. Assuming they can be flanked, shouldn't this allow me to sneak attack them if I have assassin's stance? Book doesn't explicitly say one way or another. Also does Leaping Flame avoid damage or not?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Pure_bordem, post: 6140980, member: 91342"] Hiyinz, I currently am playing a campaign as a Snow Elf Swordsage and need help on my build. I am not the rogue nor fighter of the party so I kind of am in the middle doing both roles as a supporter. I am trying to create an adaptable striker oriented build that deals plenty of damage and then gets the hell out of the line of fire if possible. Mostly shadow hand with a little diamond mind, tiger claw, and desert wind thrown in to taste. The big area where I am having trouble are in my feat selection. I choose the Snow Elf for the +2 Dex and -2 Cha but unfortunately do not get any bonus feats :(. I already took Adaptive Style at Lvl 1 and plan on taking Weapon Finesse at lvl 3 but am at a lose for the rest of the build. I would like to be effective at TWF (minimize attack penalty as much as possible) with a pair of shortswords since it would pair well with Assassin's Stance but that would make getting the extra stance lvl 8 (via Martial Stance at lvl 18) impossible. It also would make getting feats such as Darkstalker and Craven essentially impossible. While I could dip into fighter for 2 levels, I would start loosing out on the important lvl 9 maneuvers wouldn't I? What to do!?!? Here are my potential feat ideas... -Adaptive Style* -Weapon Finesse* -Two Weapon Fighting -Weapon Specialization (for MwM below) -Melee Weapon Mastery -Greater Weapon Focus -Shadow Blade -Gloom Razer -Dark Stalker -Craven *Owned or Will Own Next Now I am making a few assumptions and please correct me if I am wrong... -Most maneuvers (strikes) are standard action, therefore I could still use my off-hand attack as well and if coupled with Assassin's Stance + flanking get the 2d6? -You cannot trade lower level stances for higher ones, meaning to get more higher level stances you NEED martial stance feat -Shadow Blade DOES NOT also count as Weapon Finesse, only allows to progress in respective feat tiers as if you had it If I cannot use my off hand after a maneuver then the post essentially becomes a mute point because then TwF doesn't do jack for me ha-ha. *Complete Side Note about Leaping Flame* I noticed it never really gets mentioned, but leaping flame seems like a flanking tactic. It allows me to teleport up to 100ft towards whomever tried to hit me last. I can appear in any adjacent square around them which includes behind. Assuming they can be flanked, shouldn't this allow me to sneak attack them if I have assassin's stance? Book doesn't explicitly say one way or another. Also does Leaping Flame avoid damage or not? [/QUOTE]
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