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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Epametheus" data-source="post: 521172" data-attributes="member: 719">The typical D&Dg god is a 20 HD outsider with 20 class levels, so times with 40 class levels (20 in two different classes).  For example, a lesser diety of music would probably be a 20 HD outsider with 20 levels of bard thrown in.Since your Solar isn't actually a god, he'll generally be more than a match for a weak god, but a Greater Power would probably school him.That has more to due with the fact that some divine abilities are impressively unfair (I think there are at least a few that amount to "death with no save") than to satistical advantage on the part of the god.On the other hand, a really high-end creature made with the EPH can be horribly unfair too.At one point I wrote up something a lot like your solar for the sheer hell of it.  It was a 39 HD pit fiend with 20 fighter, wizard, and sorcerer levels (20 in each class), and 10 levels each in Mystic (good for horribly pumping up wizard spell slots), Loremaster, Weapon Master, and Eldritch Master (so that ol' Magraravich could cast Heal, among other things).  Between his staggering number of epic feats, his absurdly high stats (hooray for epic items), and his sheer volume of hit dice (over 3000 HP), the old boy could could easily go toe-to-toe with a wargod and kill it.So I guess the D&Dg gods don't scale to the EPH once the EPH is taken far enough.  So yeah, if you use the EPH for your Solar, he'll probably be able to take on gods and win.I guess the real question is: why do you need to stat your dieties?  It's probably better to just say that they are, and to not try to assign any numbers to them.  As I believe has already been said elsewhere, "if you stat it, they'll find a way to kill it."Edit: Oh, the PCs are Epic.  I guess it IS relevant then.  For stating your gods, it's a matter of determining just what you want the gods to be.  A demigod may well not be that far above a mortal.  A greater power probably has at least 100 levels simply in the appropriate core class, let alone in additional classes.  You're also a bit freer to give gods absurd stats -- a really lame god should have a 40 or so in their "core" stat.  A really strong one probably has 60's in its dump stats.  Hmm...  Stat 'em as a PC, and then apply a multiplier across the board to all of the stats?  x2 for demi gods, x4 for lesser, x5 for intermediate, x6 for greaters?  Possibly even more for the greaters?  If you want to go through the trouble, use both D&Dg and the EPH to stat your gods.  They'll probably be somewhat respectable then.</blockquote>

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