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<blockquote data-quote="Tony Vargas" data-source="post: 4401655" data-attributes="member: 996"><p>Fair enough. There's a lot you can do with fluff and cosmetic changes, though. </p><p></p><p>You'll have to settle for PH only in my case.</p><p></p><p> This could work for a lot of classes. 'Singing' could be an aproach to casting, making cleric, paladin, warlock or even wizard viable. It could be done to inspire (Warlord) or it could just be that he sings while in combat (any class, there's no skill to sing anymore, so it's just a bit of RP fluff).</p><p></p><p>A 'wild' looking elf probably isn't eladrin, but maybe keep 1/2 elf in the running? Then again, the 'singer' aspect could work for an eladrin, since they're so artsy.</p><p></p><p>This narrows it down. Light armor is a viable choice for all three strikers, the wizard, and the tactical warlord. For a cleric it's right out, DEX & INT don't help the cleric at all, for a Paladin matching full plate with a tertiary stat + light armor is prettymuch impossible, for a fighter it's also pretty improbable, but some weapons benefit from very high DEX and /might/ make it worthwhile. Seems very unlikely though.</p><p></p><p>This disqualifies the ranger, which will use either a bow or two weapons. Pitty, elves make excellent rangers. It also disqualifies the rogue, as there are no two-handed or versatile light blades.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Process of elimination leaves you warlock, warlord, or wizard. Wierd that it's the 'w' classes.</p><p></p><p>A wizard is unlikely to fit the agressive profile of the mini. But, if you wanted to, an eladrin wizard could fit all the criteria. Use 'singing' as an artistic form of casting. Proficient in longsword (which is versatile, so could be used two-handed as in the mini). Light armor is his best choice. He's got the pointy ears. And, the sword becomes a very viable weapon in his hands when he goes Wizard of the Spiral Tower at paragon. But a wizard running full tilt into battle like that seems pretty odd.</p><p></p><p>A warlord works in a sense. An inspiring warlord potentially fits 'warsinger' well. A light armor is a viable choice for a tactical warlord. You'd need something of a hybrid - a high-DEX or INT inspiring warlord or a high-int tactical warlord for whom the whole 'warsinger' thing works. Assuming you can get around that, the warlord can use whatever two-hander you want, though a reach weapon or weapon & shield is generally a better choice.</p><p></p><p>That leaves the warlock. While a fey pact warlock can be pretty crazy (thus the agressive profile), a two-hander just doesn't work. It would require a proficiency, and couldn't be his pact blade (light only), which gets pretty inefficient and impractical.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Cleric sounds pretty good. Elves have high WIS which make them good clerics. Clerics buff and heal, which could fit the 'warsinger' idea. But affording the DEX to be viable in light armor would be a real challenge, even with the +2. It's not just a matter of needing a 16 DEX to match the AC of Chain while wearing Hide at 1st level - it's that you'll need to boost your DEX at every opportunity to keep it a viable chioce, and DEX just doesn't do enough for a cleric to make that a viable choice. Furthermore, if you're not a STR-based 'war' cleric, there's little reason to have a two-hander like that (actually, even if you are a war cleric, the temptation would be to spend a feat to get a shield).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Tony Vargas, post: 4401655, member: 996"] Fair enough. There's a lot you can do with fluff and cosmetic changes, though. You'll have to settle for PH only in my case. This could work for a lot of classes. 'Singing' could be an aproach to casting, making cleric, paladin, warlock or even wizard viable. It could be done to inspire (Warlord) or it could just be that he sings while in combat (any class, there's no skill to sing anymore, so it's just a bit of RP fluff). A 'wild' looking elf probably isn't eladrin, but maybe keep 1/2 elf in the running? Then again, the 'singer' aspect could work for an eladrin, since they're so artsy. This narrows it down. Light armor is a viable choice for all three strikers, the wizard, and the tactical warlord. For a cleric it's right out, DEX & INT don't help the cleric at all, for a Paladin matching full plate with a tertiary stat + light armor is prettymuch impossible, for a fighter it's also pretty improbable, but some weapons benefit from very high DEX and /might/ make it worthwhile. Seems very unlikely though. This disqualifies the ranger, which will use either a bow or two weapons. Pitty, elves make excellent rangers. It also disqualifies the rogue, as there are no two-handed or versatile light blades. Process of elimination leaves you warlock, warlord, or wizard. Wierd that it's the 'w' classes. A wizard is unlikely to fit the agressive profile of the mini. But, if you wanted to, an eladrin wizard could fit all the criteria. Use 'singing' as an artistic form of casting. Proficient in longsword (which is versatile, so could be used two-handed as in the mini). Light armor is his best choice. He's got the pointy ears. And, the sword becomes a very viable weapon in his hands when he goes Wizard of the Spiral Tower at paragon. But a wizard running full tilt into battle like that seems pretty odd. A warlord works in a sense. An inspiring warlord potentially fits 'warsinger' well. A light armor is a viable choice for a tactical warlord. You'd need something of a hybrid - a high-DEX or INT inspiring warlord or a high-int tactical warlord for whom the whole 'warsinger' thing works. Assuming you can get around that, the warlord can use whatever two-hander you want, though a reach weapon or weapon & shield is generally a better choice. That leaves the warlock. While a fey pact warlock can be pretty crazy (thus the agressive profile), a two-hander just doesn't work. It would require a proficiency, and couldn't be his pact blade (light only), which gets pretty inefficient and impractical. Cleric sounds pretty good. Elves have high WIS which make them good clerics. Clerics buff and heal, which could fit the 'warsinger' idea. But affording the DEX to be viable in light armor would be a real challenge, even with the +2. It's not just a matter of needing a 16 DEX to match the AC of Chain while wearing Hide at 1st level - it's that you'll need to boost your DEX at every opportunity to keep it a viable chioce, and DEX just doesn't do enough for a cleric to make that a viable choice. Furthermore, if you're not a STR-based 'war' cleric, there's little reason to have a two-hander like that (actually, even if you are a war cleric, the temptation would be to spend a feat to get a shield). [/QUOTE]
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