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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Jeffrie" data-source="post: 5553703" data-attributes="member: 93465">That's really funny. ````````````(1d20 + character level or Hit Dice + target’s Wisdom bonus [if any] + target’s modifiers on saves against fear).A dragon has HD, and a wisdom modifier, and so do giants. Here, let's look one up.Black Dragon:Huge 22d12+110 (253) with a +2 wisdom bonusDragon gets a +24?  or do those other hit points somehow change HD?Fighter 20, max intimidate 22 Con.   Fighter gets a +29? Not bad. A fighter would have to work hard to get a max intimidate.````````I like it. Even a dragon should recognize a fighter20 and say 'This fellow can't be ignored'. Remember, Shaken is only -2 <a href="http://www.d20srd.org/srd/combat/combatStatistics.htm#attackRoll" target="_blank">attack rolls</a>, <a href="http://www.d20srd.org/srd/combat/combatStatistics.htm#savingThrows" target="_blank">saving throws</a>, <a href="http://www.d20srd.org/srd/skills/usingSkills.htm#skillChecks" target="_blank">skill checks</a>, and <a href="http://www.d20srd.org/srd/skills/usingSkills.htm#abilityChecks" target="_blank">ability checks</a> for a round. And though Dazed is loss of a full round the target doesn't lose AC. Even if the fighter20 rolls a 20 and the huge dragon rolls a 2, the worst case scenario for the dragon is to face a full attack from the fighter at full AC..    Can a fighter20 do 253 Dam in a full attack? (YES in theory) So the dragon should consider the fighter seriously. RUMBLETiGER                   What's the benefit of Stare Down becoming a Supernatural Ability at level 12?  I don't know if 12th is perfect, but i know that somewhere up there are demons and planar beings that aren't affected by normal damage, but on second thought, there might not be any real benefit or need for it.SuperJebba                   I'd also maybe set it up so that increasingly bigger foes count as more  people (ie Large 2, Huge 4 etc). I just have a hard time seeing a group  of four giants being intimidated by a puny little human. I see what you mean, i think. A few limits. . . Maybe as simple as, , ,,'If there are multiple targets the first target receives +1 bonus, 2nd target +2, etc'. (Also perhaps change wording to 'targets per level') It's late, and i'll try the math some tomorrow maybe. I can't even proof read my own post.</blockquote>

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