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<blockquote data-quote="scipio" data-source="post: 1945592" data-attributes="member: 16382">Hello all.&nbsp; Long-time lurker, first time poster.The set-up is 6 11th level characters, and they will be facing down an Old Red Dragon (though they don't know that).&nbsp; Now I realize this is listed as CR20 in the Manual (ie TPK), but the Dragon will be somewhat limited.&nbsp; The setting is a great hall, where the dragon will only be able to use 2 claws, a wing, a bite, and magic.&nbsp; The tail sweep will initially be limited by a pillar, the dragon will not be able to take flight, and will be reluctant to use its breath weapon, at least in the early going.&nbsp; Further, the party will get a chance to hack at its humanoid alternate form for a bit to deplete a few HP before the final battle.&nbsp; Finally, the group has advance knowledge that fire is likely to be a threat, but they'll have to fight their way through middling threats to get to the BBEG.While the group will not necessarily win, I want them to have a chance with smart play.&nbsp; Is this over-the-top?&nbsp; I arrived at the Dragon's age category from a role-playing standpoint, and have already tweaked the age ranges to keep it as low as it is.&nbsp; Still, I can't imagine that this dragon's CR is equal to a tarrasque, or pit fiend, as the manual would have you believe.&nbsp; Thanks in advance.-Scipio</blockquote>

[QUOTE="scipio, post: 1945592, member: 16382"] Hello all. Long-time lurker, first time poster. The set-up is 6 11th level characters, and they will be facing down an Old Red Dragon (though they don't know that). Now I realize this is listed as CR20 in the Manual (ie TPK), but the Dragon will be somewhat limited. The setting is a great hall, where the dragon will only be able to use 2 claws, a wing, a bite, and magic. The tail sweep will initially be limited by a pillar, the dragon will not be able to take flight, and will be reluctant to use its breath weapon, at least in the early going. Further, the party will get a chance to hack at its humanoid alternate form for a bit to deplete a few HP before the final battle. Finally, the group has advance knowledge that fire is likely to be a threat, but they'll have to fight their way through middling threats to get to the BBEG. While the group will not necessarily win, I want them to have a chance with smart play. Is this over-the-top? I arrived at the Dragon's age category from a role-playing standpoint, and have already tweaked the age ranges to keep it as low as it is. Still, I can't imagine that this dragon's CR is equal to a tarrasque, or pit fiend, as the manual would have you believe. Thanks in advance. -Scipio [/QUOTE]

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