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<blockquote data-quote="AuraSeer" data-source="post: 1945954" data-attributes="member: 1331">TPK, easily. Even if the PCs showed up with full hit points, with no spells expended, they could not realistically expect to win.The limitations you describe cut the dragon's CR by at most 1 or 2 levels. It is still extremely hard for them to hurt (high AC, SR, and saves), and has LOTS of hit points, so there's no way the battle will be over quickly.Against 11th level characters, the dragon will practically never miss its attacks; a bite/claw/claw/wing routine will be at +40/+35/+35/+35. Total damage if everything hits is 5d6+4d8+30, or an average of 66. A mage will probably go down in a single round, fighters in two or three at the most. Also, since it casts as a Sor11, it has access to spells like dominate person and baleful polymorph.Unless you intentionally play like an idiot, there's no reason for the dragon to lose.The right thing to do is reduce its age category, to adult at the oldest, and then generate an RP reason for that to make sense. If you absolutely refuse to do that, figure out some reason for it to teleport away while one of the PCs is still alive.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="AuraSeer, post: 1945954, member: 1331"] TPK, easily. Even if the PCs showed up with full hit points, with no spells expended, they could not realistically expect to win. The limitations you describe cut the dragon's CR by at most 1 or 2 levels. It is still extremely hard for them to hurt (high AC, SR, and saves), and has LOTS of hit points, so there's no way the battle will be over quickly. Against 11th level characters, the dragon will practically never miss its attacks; a bite/claw/claw/wing routine will be at +40/+35/+35/+35. Total damage if everything hits is 5d6+4d8+30, or an average of 66. A mage will probably go down in a single round, fighters in two or three at the most. Also, since it casts as a Sor11, it has access to spells like [i]dominate person[/i] and [i]baleful polymorph[/i]. Unless you intentionally play like an idiot, there's no reason for the dragon to lose. The right thing to do is reduce its age category, to adult at the oldest, and then generate an RP reason for that to make sense. If you absolutely refuse to do that, figure out some reason for it to [i]teleport[/i] away while one of the PCs is still alive. [/QUOTE]

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