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<blockquote data-quote="Swarmkeeper" data-source="post: 7343071" data-attributes="member: 6921763">Drop a pair of Ancient Red Dragons on them, with plenty of other minions, and end the campaign.&nbsp; They aren't respecting you, so give them a taste of that medicine.&nbsp; Then start fresh with new characters and a new ground rule:&nbsp; &quot;No arguing with the DM over rulings during the game.&quot;You can absolutely limit their gear from the get go by using the PHB character starting gear examples or starting gold.&nbsp; And you can limit their stats by using the PHB suggested array/point buy system.&nbsp; No one will have a 22 to 25 AC anytime soon if you follow those guides.Perhaps that will earn their respect.ORAsk one of them to DM or suggest that you should all rotate who is the DM every 5 sessions or so.&nbsp; Tell them that, for now, you would enjoy it more being a player and learning a bit more from experiencing them DM a bit.OR, if all else fails:This could be just a case of bad gaming, which is worse than no gaming.&nbsp; Find a new group if these players won't respect you.&nbsp; It's not right that you are miserable doing something that is supposed to be fun.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Swarmkeeper, post: 7343071, member: 6921763"] Drop a pair of Ancient Red Dragons on them, with plenty of other minions, and end the campaign. They aren't respecting you, so give them a taste of that medicine. Then start fresh with new characters and a new ground rule: "No arguing with the DM over rulings during the game." You can absolutely limit their gear from the get go by using the PHB character starting gear examples or starting gold. And you can limit their stats by using the PHB suggested array/point buy system. No one will have a 22 to 25 AC anytime soon if you follow those guides. Perhaps that will earn their respect. OR Ask one of them to DM or suggest that you should all rotate who is the DM every 5 sessions or so. Tell them that, for now, you would enjoy it more being a player and learning a bit more from experiencing them DM a bit. OR, if all else fails: This could be just a case of bad gaming, which is worse than no gaming. Find a new group if these players won't respect you. It's not right that you are miserable doing something that is supposed to be fun. [/QUOTE]

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