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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Dragonblade" data-source="post: 1054644" data-attributes="member: 2804">Your PCs are not really packing anything game breaking that I can see.  They seem to be outfitted appropriately for their level.If the CR 9 monsters alone can't handle a group of Lvl 9 character then you need to take a hard look at the tactics your monsters are using.You can also add level to monsters too.  An Ogre might be a little weak, but a level 9 Fighter Ogre wearing Full plate is something else!Also, the game provides the DM with many great tools.  They are probably messing with Red Wizards.  There are lots of spells an enemy mage, such as a Red Wizard, can cast to make themselves pretty tough.Mage Armor is +4 Armor bonusShield is +7 cover bonus (+4 shield in 3.5)Haste is +4 Haste bonus (+1 in 3.5)Assume a Dex of 16 so thats another +3.Cat's Grace is +2 bonus to AC (1d4+1 to Dex, +4 Dex in 3.5)So an enemy wizard could have an AC of 30 in 3.0 and AC 24 in 3.5, and that's not counting a single magic item.If they also have a cleric of Kossuth or Bane with them, you can tap into other great spells, like Magic Vestment, Shield of Faith, etc.  A 14th level wizard can use Limited Wish to cast Magic Vestment on themselves.Throw in spells like Stoneskin and your NPC wizards are a pretty formidable force.Also a good NPC fighter with Full plate and a Shield has an AC of 10+8 (full plate) +1 (Dex) +2 (Shield) = AC 21.  Have an NPC cleric cast Magic Vestment on the shield and armor and their AC jumps potentially up to 31.  Have an NPC mage cast Haste and the fun really begins! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" />The good thing about using spells like this is even if the PCs win and kill the bad guys, there isn't any magical gear for them to loot! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" />Anyway, I see no reason for you to take your PC's gear away from them.  They aren't that powerful if you really start looking at all your options as DM.  And remember, PC spellcasters have to conserve spells all day.  NPC spellcasters, who only exist to battle the PCs once can afford to blow all their spells on one encounter.  A very big advantage.</blockquote>

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