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<blockquote data-quote="Thanee" data-source="post: 1704496" data-attributes="member: 478"><p>Yep, though in that case it should not augment at all, but rather be two different powers, one that scales to 10 and one that scales to 20, like Metamorphosis is done (which scales instead of augment).</p><p></p><p>Altho, I'd rather see every power with augmentation and not a single one with scaling, as scaling is just not how psionics work. Even Metamorphosis would be fine with augmentation and no cap, I think, merging the lesser and greater version into one.</p><p></p><p>The big problem of Dispel Psionics is, that it both scales and augments.</p><p>Sure, the augmentation, that just increases the cap, is not unreasonable, but it just doesn't look right with the rest of the system.</p><p></p><p>Psionics don't scale, but can be augmented and have no cap, also they include the greater versions of the same "spell". That's how it should be done for them all, IMHO. At least I don't see a reason, why there need to be exceptions.</p><p></p><p>It's also absolutely not acceptable, that Dispel Psionics is in any way superior to Dispel Magic IMHO, since otherwise Psions would be better at dispelling magic, than Wizards under the standard transparency rules (w/o transparency this is of course irrelevant). <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></p><p></p><p>Even a two power scaling version would be more powerful, as it could be manifested a lot more times per day.</p><p></p><p>Therefore I think it should be my version, because that is how it should work in the system, with the inherent advantages (flexibility, no cap) and disadvantages (augmentation cost).</p><p></p><p>But that's just my opinion, of course. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin :D" data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yeah, that would be better, just allow a spell of spell level = caster level / 3 or something like that.</p><p></p><p>But in fact, I don't think both are a good idea, personally. Extra spells (or powers) per round should not come that easy. Quicken is more than enough. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>As I said, if Psions get it, there is no reason to not allow Sorcerers to get it, too.</p><p></p><p>Or otherwise, if Sorcerers do not get it, there is no reason why Psions should.</p><p></p><p>Both works, I guess, just not the current version, which is simply inconsistent.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Well, that's the nature of the system, that it does not scale, partially that is alleviated by having all metapsionics be cheaper by a full power level (if applicable). And there are enough powers that are still highly effective at full level minus six.</p><p></p><p>A spell four levels lower than your maximum is also a lot weaker than your maximum level, i.e. Magic Missile (good spell at 9th level still, sure) versus Firebrand (a lot better spell), both top ranking spells of their respective level.</p><p></p><p>Just as one example.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>True, true.</p><p></p><p>It's mostly the "extra action" stuff that bugs me there, since it has been removed from 3.5 pretty much in all instances (only one I know of is the Choker (Su)).</p><p></p><p>Doesn't sit right to put that stuff back in, as it has been removed for a reason.</p><p></p><p>Bye</p><p>Thanee</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Thanee, post: 1704496, member: 478"] Yep, though in that case it should not augment at all, but rather be two different powers, one that scales to 10 and one that scales to 20, like Metamorphosis is done (which scales instead of augment). Altho, I'd rather see every power with augmentation and not a single one with scaling, as scaling is just not how psionics work. Even Metamorphosis would be fine with augmentation and no cap, I think, merging the lesser and greater version into one. The big problem of Dispel Psionics is, that it both scales and augments. Sure, the augmentation, that just increases the cap, is not unreasonable, but it just doesn't look right with the rest of the system. Psionics don't scale, but can be augmented and have no cap, also they include the greater versions of the same "spell". That's how it should be done for them all, IMHO. At least I don't see a reason, why there need to be exceptions. It's also absolutely not acceptable, that Dispel Psionics is in any way superior to Dispel Magic IMHO, since otherwise Psions would be better at dispelling magic, than Wizards under the standard transparency rules (w/o transparency this is of course irrelevant). ;) Even a two power scaling version would be more powerful, as it could be manifested a lot more times per day. Therefore I think it should be my version, because that is how it should work in the system, with the inherent advantages (flexibility, no cap) and disadvantages (augmentation cost). But that's just my opinion, of course. :D Yeah, that would be better, just allow a spell of spell level = caster level / 3 or something like that. But in fact, I don't think both are a good idea, personally. Extra spells (or powers) per round should not come that easy. Quicken is more than enough. ;) As I said, if Psions get it, there is no reason to not allow Sorcerers to get it, too. Or otherwise, if Sorcerers do not get it, there is no reason why Psions should. Both works, I guess, just not the current version, which is simply inconsistent. Well, that's the nature of the system, that it does not scale, partially that is alleviated by having all metapsionics be cheaper by a full power level (if applicable). And there are enough powers that are still highly effective at full level minus six. A spell four levels lower than your maximum is also a lot weaker than your maximum level, i.e. Magic Missile (good spell at 9th level still, sure) versus Firebrand (a lot better spell), both top ranking spells of their respective level. Just as one example. True, true. It's mostly the "extra action" stuff that bugs me there, since it has been removed from 3.5 pretty much in all instances (only one I know of is the Choker (Su)). Doesn't sit right to put that stuff back in, as it has been removed for a reason. Bye Thanee [/QUOTE]
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