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Message: <blockquote data-quote="maggot" data-source="post: 2735478" data-attributes="member: 1005">I have the PDF for UpperKrust's brilliant CR system, and I'm trying to figure out how the giant CRs are calculated.  (I'm making my own giants, so I want to start with the know quantities).Cloud giant for example is listed as 16.815 Total, which I can break down into:9.35    17HD2.4    Huge0.2    Giant: Darkvision0    Air subtype0    Move 50'1.2    Natural AC0.1    Low-light0.2    Scent0.09    Levitate 3/day0.045    Obscuring Mist 3/day0.03    Fog Cloud 1/day0.9    Str 35 (+16 already included in huge size)*0.7    Dex 13 (-4 already included in huge size)*0.5    Con 23 (+8 already included in huge size)*0.2    Int 120.6    Wis 160.3    Cha 13* I (reverse) adjusted the stats by size to get the value shown in the PDF.But I still have some Cloud Giant abilities left over:Wield Oversized WeaponRock ThrowingRock CatchingThe first two feel like a feat each (0.2), and the last which should probably be half a feat (0.1), which would make me 0.5 over.  That is exactly the amount of Natural Armor supplied by the Huge size, but the PDF specifically says that the Natural Armor is not included.Any help?</blockquote>