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<blockquote data-quote="guachi" data-source="post: 6973673" data-attributes="member: 6785802"><p>Yes, it's fairly clear from reading the text of the Crossbow Expert feat that you can use the bonus action attack with the same hand crossbow you used in your attack action.</p><p></p><p>Features of Crossbow Expert:</p><p>1. Doesn't apply here.</p><p>2. Doesn't apply here.</p><p>3. You fulfill the first requirement by using your one-handed hand crossbow in the Attack action. And, as long as you have a free hand to actually draw ammunition and load your hand crossbow (barring some other magical or automatic reloading) you can grab a piece of ammunition as part of the attack.</p><p></p><p>The hand crossbow has the "ammunition" property. One feature of that is "drawing the ammunition from a quiver, case, or other container is part of the attack"</p><p></p><p>Nowhere in the rules does it actually define what "loaded" actually means. But if drawing the ammunition is part of the attack, then "loading" (for a crossbow) must also be part of the attack (if you have this feat) and "nocking" for a bow must be part of the attack or you'd never be able to use a crossbow or bow more than once.</p><p></p><p>You'd end up with players saying "the rules saw you can <em>draw</em> an arrow (ammunition) but it never says you can <em>nock</em> an arrow. The word "nock" appears nowhere in the PHB. So you could argue that you can't ever fire your bow! But this is, of course, stupid.</p><p></p><p>So by extension of the rule that "drawing the ammunition from a quiver, case, or other container is part of the attack" and that loading/nocking must be part of this you can use the bonus action of a hand crossbow with the same hand crossbow you used in the Attack action.</p><p></p><p>EDIT: To clarify, the removal of the "loading" property is completely irrelevant to using your bonus action to fire the same hand crossbow. The "loading" property only limits you to one shot on your action, bonus action, or reaction. And you're only firing once on your bonus action.</p><p></p><p>If you can fire and hand crossbow (or and crossbow or bow) that is unloaded/unnocked at the time you declare your Attack action, you can fire a hand crossbow that is unloaded at the time you declare your Bonus action.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="guachi, post: 6973673, member: 6785802"] Yes, it's fairly clear from reading the text of the Crossbow Expert feat that you can use the bonus action attack with the same hand crossbow you used in your attack action. Features of Crossbow Expert: 1. Doesn't apply here. 2. Doesn't apply here. 3. You fulfill the first requirement by using your one-handed hand crossbow in the Attack action. And, as long as you have a free hand to actually draw ammunition and load your hand crossbow (barring some other magical or automatic reloading) you can grab a piece of ammunition as part of the attack. The hand crossbow has the "ammunition" property. One feature of that is "drawing the ammunition from a quiver, case, or other container is part of the attack" Nowhere in the rules does it actually define what "loaded" actually means. But if drawing the ammunition is part of the attack, then "loading" (for a crossbow) must also be part of the attack (if you have this feat) and "nocking" for a bow must be part of the attack or you'd never be able to use a crossbow or bow more than once. You'd end up with players saying "the rules saw you can [I]draw[/I] an arrow (ammunition) but it never says you can [I]nock[/I] an arrow. The word "nock" appears nowhere in the PHB. So you could argue that you can't ever fire your bow! But this is, of course, stupid. So by extension of the rule that "drawing the ammunition from a quiver, case, or other container is part of the attack" and that loading/nocking must be part of this you can use the bonus action of a hand crossbow with the same hand crossbow you used in the Attack action. EDIT: To clarify, the removal of the "loading" property is completely irrelevant to using your bonus action to fire the same hand crossbow. The "loading" property only limits you to one shot on your action, bonus action, or reaction. And you're only firing once on your bonus action. If you can fire and hand crossbow (or and crossbow or bow) that is unloaded/unnocked at the time you declare your Attack action, you can fire a hand crossbow that is unloaded at the time you declare your Bonus action. [/QUOTE]
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